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And the cycle continues. Prior to 9/11 JB was a stepping stone. Not for all but for most. We're looking a the meaty part of the curve that a majority of us fall into.

When the "cycle is hot" meaning with the big players (major airlines with a domestic and international, narrow and WB flying) are hiring airlines like AT, ALLG, Spirit on down will be an intermediate stepping stone to the "gold ring majors". Most will go from regional/commuter (the airlines just under the "intermediate airlines" in the pilot job pecking order) to the big players but some will slide to the "intermediate" players before "moving up".

When the music stops (example post 9/11) mostly its the big players that stop and shed pilots first. The new big player becomes the old intermediate player that is still hiring. Example: Prior to 9/11 most (not all but most) want nothing to do with an airline like AT or National or Spirit unless we considered it an "intermediate step" to one of the Big 3 back then. Then 9/11 happened and they were the only game in town so they became the big player while the real big player licked its wounds. The regional/commuters became the new intermediate player. He11 even CFI/freight dog 135 got a bump to where commuter/regional had been back then.

Now the cycle has come full circle (or is about to) and the "real" big players are back(or are about to be back). There are only 3 left (AMR, DAL, UAL).

Just the pecking order. It's how it has always been and will always be.

Note: none of this is a put down on JB/Spirit ect. pilots who are staying put. Each pilot has to make their own moves based on their situation. Then luck and chance come into play as well. Can't blame a guy for squatting top 20% seniority at a place like Spirit vs. bottom UAL.
 
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Right from the passengers mouths... "leading edge". "I want my pilots to be pilots, not cleaners. They should be thinking about flying the plane."

Marketing has nothing to do with how you look like a mop jockey or maveric. That's all up to you.

This...Oh, and DON'T put on blue gloves to play janitor...contrary to what
"marketing" says, passengers DO NOT want to see pilots picking up their trash......

Do they really make you guys clean the airplanes?
 
Do they really make you guys clean the airplanes?

No. In the interest of team building, many crews choose to help cross seat belts on turns. Most wait until all of the passengers are off first. It is encouraged, but not required.

Some people just like to complain.
 
Yea, it's encouraged... to the point that many of the flight attendants expect it. Then when they don't get your "help" your the A-hole. It's thuuuuuuper fun every time you get to have that conversation.

I like to have fun with it. just hand them the laptop, and ask them to do the preflight. Then show them the shortcut icon on the laptop that takes them to the paragraph in the book that says "light cleaning of aircraft is not part of the first officers duties".

Also, cleaning of the back of the plane is directly proportionate to the attitude and well attitude of the said flight attendant.

if you don't like the complaining... don't come to the b!tchboard, that's what it's for.
 
It's fine if you never help. I help when I can. Not every leg, but several per trip. If I have a call I need to make, or whatever, I don't sweat it. If the FAs get pissed, that's on them. Why even explain it to them?
 
Never in uniform in front of customers and only then when pilot duties are finished. Nothing chaps me more about this than when the pilots are too busy scooping seat backs to finish up their own post-flight, to include getting their stuff out of the cockpit for the next crew.
 
Never in uniform in front of customers and only then when pilot duties are finished. Nothing chaps me more about this than when the pilots are too busy scooping seat backs to finish up their own post-flight, to include getting their stuff out of the cockpit for the next crew.

Agreed.
 
Cleaning airplanes goes hand-in-hand with Wal-Mart level benefits.

It says: "I'm eager to accept whatever the "direct relationship" decides to give me or take away from me."
 
Cleaning airplanes goes hand-in-hand with Wal-Mart level benefits.

It says: "I'm eager to accept whatever the "direct relationship" decides to give me or take away from me."

Agree

It's all about self worth. If you don't think you can the hot chick, you wind up with the fat one
 

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