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[ASA_Aviator]

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[oldxfr8dog]

Never in uniform in front of customers and only then when pilot duties are finished. Nothing chaps me more about this than when the pilots are too busy scooping seat backs to finish up their own post-flight, to include getting their stuff out of the cockpit for the next crew.

Me,too.
A customer will never see me in blue gloves.
My crap is out of the cockpit, ASAP.
AND ALL my garbage...
That said, many of the inflight in my (small) base are my friends. I have known them for 10+ years.
I will help them, and all the other FAs, after my job is done, the pax are off, and I'm not running for my commute. It's not degrading, it's human.
THAT said, if they come on and don't even say hello (JFK mostly), roll their eyes when I ask them to not "Facebook" as we brief, and give me (Captain) attitude, then they have drawn the line.
I'm second generation 121. PIC means something to me, mostly because the PIC is RESPONSIBLE and with that comes AUTHORITY. Not that I'm royalty, I take ALL input, but Gate Agents and FAs giving me orders?
They don't understand 121 PIC?
F***k, them, they're on their own.

 

[NEDude]

"To cut costs and encourage efficiency, PeoplExpress made every owner-employee a "manager". By eliminating traditional barriers to productivity and easing formalities, the company hoped employees would serve their customers better. This strategy raised morale but caused confusion and actually hurt productivity...The FAA eventually made PeoplExpress add more conventional uniforms to make the flight crew more identifiable to passengers."

 

[StarChecker]

"The military-style jacket and pilot's cap and the pilot's bars that hark back to the role of ship captain just wouldn't send the right message, (Ann) Rhoades thought. JetBlue pilots would instead wear bright-blue short sleeved shirts, which made them look more like bus drivers, but perhaps that was the point."

"Blue Streak: Inside jetblue, the upstart that rocked an industry", by Barbara Peterson. Chapter 6.





Just wouldn't send the right message?


...message received, Ann.

 

[linepilot]

Do they really make you guys clean the airplanes?

There's a few tools who still do but they're a dying breed.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Getting back to the main purpose of this thread, why would a qualified pilot applicant meeting the competitive hiring minimums of a major airline even consider applying to JetBlue?

Compared to our peers, JetBlue falls far behind in every category (health insurance, retirement, vacation allotment, sick time accrual, trip and duty rigs, pay scale, etc.) This should send a clear message to everyone on the property, as well as anyone applying. Without proper representation, we will never achieve what our peers have. Only with a well negotiated CBA will we be considered to be a destination and/or career airline for pilots. The opportunity to pursue a path to a CBA is on the horizon. It is up to this pilot group to educate one another with the facts. If we don't have the ability to retain and attract good pilots, this place will be worse than a stepping stone.

"In business, you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate."

http://bluetruthpilots.com

 

[Smarta$$]

Even with a CBA, we still won't be a top choice.

We still won't have hundreds of yearly retirements. We still won't have widebody aircraft. We will still have gaping holes in our route network and coastal only bases.

Most pilots will rightly choose other legacy airlines.

Like you have said before, other airlines offer pilots so much more than we do.

 

[Smarta$$]

Or will a CBA create thousands of retirements and high paying widebody aircraft?

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Thousands of retirements? No. Wide body aircraft? That's anyone's guess. Better pay, benefits, work rules, job protection, a leg to stand on, etc? Yes. A chance at something other than a staple or a kick to the curb in the case of merger and/or acquisition? Yes.

A CBA will not solve every problem, but it will be much better than our current PEA, which isn't worth the paper it's written on.

 

[Smarta$$]

That's fine, and this will still be a second rate job with considerably less value than the legacies.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Or will a CBA create thousands of retirements and high paying widebody aircraft?

No one is saying that. Once again you just want to argue. How many retirements are there at Alaska? I don't hear about pilots leaving enmasses there. If the pay and benefit package was decent attrition would be cut not eliminated.

 

[Smarta$$]

And cutting atrittion would help me?

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

That's fine, and this will still be a second rate job with considerably less value than the legacies.

You're assuming we won't be assimilated by a legacy. That's a big assumption. On a side note, please stay away from sharp objects.

 

[Smarta$$]

You're assuming we won't be assimilated by a legacy. That's a big assumption. On a side note, please stay away from sharp objects.

Haha, who is it this time..... been reading this stuff for years! Let's hear your inside genius knowledge of what is about to happen to us...

This will still be a second rate job compared to the legacy airlines with massive retirements, seniority movement and higher paying fleet types. Not to mention base choices that don't require you to live 5 mins from an ocean.

Your career will still be worth far less here. Beachbummer ran the data. He showed that legacy career was definitively worth 32 million dollars more than a career at jb.

 

[pilotpayne]

Haha, who is it this time..... been reading this stuff for years! Let's hear your inside genius knowledge of what is about to happen to us...

This will still be a second rate job compared to the legacy airlines with massive retirements, seniority movement and higher paying fleet types. Not to mention base choices that don't require you to live 5 mins from an ocean.

Your career will still be worth far less here. Beachbummer ran the data. He showed that legacy career was definitively worth 32 million dollars more than a career at jb.

32 million?
Smarta$$ are you being sarcastic?

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

I think someone needs a hug.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

No one is saying that. Once again you just want to argue. How many retirements are there at Alaska? I don't hear about pilots leaving enmasses there. If the pay and benefit package was decent attrition would be cut not eliminated.

(Cliff Clavin voice) "Oh yeah. It's a little known fact that most of the AS pilots have their apps in at B6".
Must the blue chips or those FA guys that walk funny...

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Cliff Claven reference is probably wasted on 90% of this forum's participants (toddlers)... But I liked it!!

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

Getting back to the main purpose of this thread, why would a qualified pilot applicant meeting the competitive hiring minimums of a major airline even consider applying to JetBlue?

Because every pilot isn't going to have the opportunity/contacts/luck/drive/qualifications to go to Delta, American or United. Some people have to make the best of their situation. What is a guy or girl supposed to do? Sit a Express Jet, Mesa or any other crappy regional and wait for a lottery ticket to go to a Legacy carrier? That's just dumb.

 

[MikeSF340]

Because every pilot isn't going to have the opportunity/contacts/luck/drive/qualifications to go to Delta, American or United. Some people have to make the best of their situation. What is a guy or girl supposed to do? Sit a Express Jet, Mesa or any other crappy regional and wait for a lottery ticket to go to a Legacy carrier. That's just dumb.

STOP MAKING SENSE!!!! Stick to the plan man. JetBlue is the worst job in the history of aviation!!! They have slave masters sitting on the jumpseats with whips. Get your story right!