Jetblue headed to IND?

[lowecur]

If this is the case, this lends credence that B6 is looking long and hard at putting ATA out of business. I know Jetblue wants into Chicago as a focus for their 190's, and they will need lots of gate space for that operation. Since there is limited gate space to attack ATA at MDW, the next best venue is their other hub at IND.

June 7, 2004
JetBlue is Headed for Indianapolis Airport

By Chris Katterjohn
Indianapolis Business Journal

Low-fare JetBlue Airways appears to be readying for take-off at Indianapolis International Airport. The arrival of the four-year-old carrier would be good news for airport officials and local travelers, but poses a significant competitive threat to current tenants, including locally based ATA Airlines.

JetBlue confirmed Indianapolis is on its expansion list but declined to give a timeline for its plans here. Industry sources, however, said early 2005 is a strong possibility.

ATA Chairman George Mikelsons says he would welcome the competition. He noted that competition at the airport here could never get as intense as midway airport in Chicago, where ATA has a major presence and appears to be thriving.

Analysts said JetBlue is more likely to steal market share from the larger, less nimble airlines that fly out of Indianapolis, such as USAirways and United.

Based in New York, JetBlue has made a name for itself since it started with its low fares, excellent customer service and roomy leather seats.

The company's stock also has performed well, making it a darling on Wall Street.

 

[jetblue320]

If this is the case, this lends credence that B6 is looking long and hard at putting ATA out of business. I know Jetblue wants into Chicago as a focus for their 190's, and they will need lots of gate space for that operation. Since there is limited gate space to attack ATA at MDW, the next best venue is their other hub at IND.

Although IND has always been on our "plan" (along with 45 some odd others) as well as ORD (note NOT MDW!) I don't think it is on the close scope. As long as our Senior VP of Opns. has a breath in his body and works for Jetblue, Jetblue will never fly into MDW. One thing is for sure, it has nothing to do with "putting ATA out of business" as you stated. Our growth plans are not targeted at other airlines but more so, markets. But to answer your query, yes, we are looking real hard at the midwest for next year and beyond. It is no secret.

C yaaaa

 

[mach zero]

More nonsense from lowecur:

If this is the case, this lends credence that B6 is looking long and hard at putting ATA out of business. I know Jetblue wants into Chicago as a focus for their 190's, and they will need lots of gate space for that operation. Since there is limited gate space to attack ATA at MDW, the next best venue is their other hub at IND.


B6 coming to IND will not put ATA out of business. What have we at ATA done to you lowecur to make you constantly post your speculations about our impending demise?

 

[TrimixDeepDiver]

If this is the case, this lends credence that B6 is looking long and hard at putting ATA out of business. I know Jetblue wants into Chicago as a focus for their 190's, and they will need lots of gate space for that operation. Since there is limited gate space to attack ATA at MDW, the next best venue is their other hub at IND.


Analysts said JetBlue is more likely to steal market share from the larger, less nimble airlines that fly out of Indianapolis, such as USAirways and United.

Hey Lowercur did you even read the article you posted before posting your incorrect ramblings on what "you" think. B6 would have a tough time trying to put ATA "out of biz" because ATA's CASM is lower or just about the same as B6 therefore underpricing them would be easy, this why B6 said they would stay out of Midway where ATA is the dominant carrier there beating out even the almighty SWA. Even the analysts stated in the article that B6 would pose more of a threat to the dying carriers of Usair and United. You should stop trying to be a self proclaimed Airline Analyst as you just make yourself look stupid posting incorrect facts...

 

[UpNDownGuy]

I think it's great...

I just get a kick out of lowecur's ramblings. Definately thinking WAY outside the box. I'm on the edge of my seat wondering what the voices will tell him next...

 

[lowecur]

B6 coming to IND will not put ATA out of business. What have we at ATA done to you lowecur to make you constantly post your speculations about our impending demise?

Zero, in case you haven't noticed, the airline business is just like any other business - it's predatory! By the way, I've only had a few posts about ATA. I'm sure most of the people that work there are nice people, but I don't think they are niave enough to believe that not discussing it will make it go away.

 

[FLB717]

If ATA grows, remains in place or goes the way of other long gone airlines it will be from the inside not the outside. I think airlines have most to do with killing themselves. Others just swoop in for the final nail in the coffin.

 

[lowecur]

Hey Lowercur did you even read the article you posted before posting your incorrect ramblings on what "you" think. B6 would have a tough time trying to put ATA "out of biz" because ATA's CASM is lower or just about the same as B6 therefore underpricing them would be easy, this why B6 said they would stay out of Midway where ATA is the dominant carrier there beating out even the almighty SWA. Even the analysts stated in the article that B6 would pose more of a threat to the dying carriers of Usair and United. You should stop trying to be a self proclaimed Airline Analyst as you just make yourself look stupid posting incorrect facts...

Deep Diver. I have no idea what you are talking about. What does having a lower CASM have to do with ATA's ability to underprice it's competition? Any airline no matter what their CASM can underprice the competition. The key to making money in this business is to have a higher RASM than CASM...period. ATA's problem is they have a lower RASM than CASM and no pricing power.......hence they lose money. Every market they go into they are checkmated by a carrier that's either making money or has deep enough pockets to outlast ATA. Management will have it's hands full staying out of Chapt 11 in the next 6 months.

 

[lowecur]

If ATA grows, remains in place or goes the way of other long gone airlines it will be from the inside not the outside. I think airlines have most to do with killing themselves. Others just swoop in for the final nail in the coffin.

You're right, as ATA's mgt has dug a large hole. However, any mgt team that states they go about their business plans without looking at knocking off their competition......ie: (some remarks by the B6 people) is pure poppycock. If they want to appear to be shaking their hand as they help them out the door, that's their perogative.

 

[jetblue320]

You're right, as ATA's mgt has dug a large hole. However, any mgt team that states they go about their business plans without looking at knocking off their competition......ie: (some remarks by the B6 people) is pure poppycock. If they want to appear to be shaking their hand as they help them out the door, that's their perogative.

I never said that we disregarded the competition, but more so that our prime objective in success is on our own merit, not by the failure or incompetence of the others. I guess it's just a question of perspective.

C yaaa

 

[General Lee]

With the higher fuel prices out there, is it me or has Jetblue curtailed some of it's West Coast transcon growth? The fares are probably the same from JFK to OAK/LGB etc as they are to FLA, right? But, the West Coast trips are three extra hours of flying---which means more gas. Maybe shorter flights to IND etc will give them more revenue. Lately I have seen some new flights on B6 to Aguadilla, Puerto Rico, and some to the Dominican Republic. Is that one to Aguadilla a turn? It left JFK really late and returned really early. That would hurt if it was a turn....



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[a320drivr]

General,


It is a turn. Its all about productivity.

 

[FlyChicaga]

Does ATA even service JFK from IND? No. ATA does service LGA however. It just depends on what passengers will want... service out of JFK or LGA. ATA will have business class, and has IFE now, so not much differences there. Not at all the demise of ATA as lowecur might propose.

 

[jetblue320]

With the higher fuel prices out there, is it me or has Jetblue curtailed some of it's West Coast transcon growth? The fares are probably the same from JFK to OAK/LGB etc as they are to FLA, right? But, the West Coast trips are three extra hours of flying---which means more gas. Maybe shorter flights to IND etc will give them more revenue. Lately I have seen some new flights on B6 to Aguadilla, Puerto Rico, and some to the Dominican Republic. Is that one to Aguadilla a turn? It left JFK really late and returned really early. That would hurt if it was a turn....
Bye Bye--General Lee

Yes and No on the West Coast curtailing. What I mean is we haven't added a lot of frequency to existing city pairs but we have added new service recently. BOS-OAK, IAD-SMF, BOS-LGB, etc. The average fare to Florida from JFK is right at $112 and I am not sure what our average TransCon fare is but it is probably a bit higher. Yes, more gas is definately true but if I remember correctly we are hedged to 38% for this year and about 20% for next year. As far as RASM for the west coast flights, it's all about stage length you know. That's why we fly them!!

Yes, the Aquadilla flight is a turn (as stated in the post above) and it is a redeye. What do you mean "it would hurt"? If you mean regarding the body clock, yes, it's a b&LL buster. I mean, I guess it is, I haven't done one. But, it is the same as our JFK-SJU redeye which we have been doing for quite some time.

C yaa

 

[trueblue]

General,
I just flew the JFK-BQN turn the other night. It definitely hurt, at least until the sun came up as we were taking off from BQN. Then, mentally, at least, it felt as if the gods decided to add some vaseline to the pain.