Jetblue Growth

[linepilot]

For a guy slamming "regional youngsters", you seem to have been part of that regional crowd. FYI, most of the yes voters I've flown with.... Ex regional guys. Most of the no voters... Twa and airways guys.

Most of the no voters I've flown with, are ex regional guys. That's because the TWA/Airways guys have all upgraded. But we KNEW about them. Those toads are a known quantity and they will be again. The list the BoBs distributed identifys each one of them.

I'm referring to the fresh no votes that jetblue will continue to cultivate down in Orlando.

And, YES, I did come up the hard way and I have seen the good and the bad of ALPA. But I have NEVER thought that there was any other way for a pilot than through the offices of the NMB with a well-funded union. I left Orlando in 2000 knowing full well that we would need a CBA.

Unfortunately many young minds need to see and experience bad decisions first hand. Like young pilot groups who absolutely have to try an in-house for a few years before they reluctantly agree that ALPA was always the better option.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I agree with n757st. I think if you could do an honest demographic vote analysis, you'd find it wasn't the "regional youngsters" who swung the vote.

Most likely it was the Senior Bubbas who are UAL/USAir furloughees that blame ALPA for their furloughs. The logical fallacy, of course, is the fact that ALPA doesn't furlough pilots, airline managers do.

But, I guess you have to have a target for your bitterness. At B6, it looks like its ALPA.

 

[linepilot]

I agree with n757st. I think if you could do an honest demographic vote analysis, you'd find it wasn't the "regional youngsters" who swung the vote.

Most likely it was the Senior Bubbas who are UAL/USAir furloughees that blame ALPA for their furloughs. The logical fallacy, of course, is the fact that ALPA doesn't furlough pilots, airline managers do.

But, I guess you have to have a target for your bitterness. At B6, it looks like its ALPA.

We've been dealing with the 600 or so TWA/Airways/Emery no voters since the organizing efforts began. They created the BoBs.

They've been a target for my bitterness since 2005. I'm just spreading the love now.

 

[Lake Alice]

Growth? Compare our 10 year growth to say AMR, DAL, UAL, LCC. Heck, AMR hasn't even hired in nearly 10 years! In that time period, we went from 1 airplane to 164 and currently have 40 A320 neo on order and converted 30/52 A-320 orders to A-321s.

Furthermore, why don't you take a 10-year snapshot at the unionized airline industry: Bankruptcies at all the legacies, furloughs abound, concessions, followed by two major mergers. Now, take a 10-year snapshot at Jetblue (a startup no-less). You have none of that. I'll take consistent, prudent growth resulting in a stable career over a long time vs having to keep a resume on hand for the next shake-up every 2-5 years.

There is a disconnect in this unionized industry that allows management all the power in the world to hit the "easy" button and effectively reset all the years of good-faith negotiated CBAs that don't hold the ink on the paper they're printed on when a company goes CH 7 or 11...

Go with the facts, not the rumors, and certainly not with your emotions-- the same one that lost the ALPA drive...

You have to understand BLue Bayou. Like many others he is happy to be here. Clueless as most and ignorant like no other. Every other legacy carrier in bankruptcy still has been work rules, retirement, insurance and protections EVEN in bankruptcy than Jetblue will ever have. Jetblue has grown in 10 years, like every other airline has. Jetblue has ordered planes in the past 10 years, like every other airline has. We have operated much the same as every other airline has only we do it for less pay, benefits, retirement, work rules, vacations time, sick time and protections. Blue Bayou is also the one of the pilots who called a chief pilot to report a pilot taxiing too slow. He is a management lackey. Even after the lawyers in DC specifically told our PVC that we are grossly unprotected with our 5 documents he continues to say "jetblue will take care of us" much like they have done the past 12 years.
Did you know that after 6 months on short term disability Jetblue makes you pay for your own health insurance? This is the type of company Jetblue is. A true people person company.

 

[B6Busdriver]

We've been dealing with the 600 or so TWA/Airways/Emery no voters since the organizing efforts began. They created the BoBs.

They've been a target for my bitterness since 2005. I'm just spreading the love now.

It's more than 600 and i am one of them. I am also an OC member, twice yes voter, and a no documents voter.

 

[linepilot]

It's more than 600 and i am one of them. I am also an OC member, twice yes voter, and a no documents voter.

And I'm out of time. So I don't care.

You organize. Been there, done that, ran out of time watching bluebells fritter away my pay and benefits.

I'll spend the rest of my time helping jetblue and it's lemmings own their screwed up reputation.

Part of that is warning prospective new hires that they are looking at a long and relatively un-prosperous road if they're planning a career at jetblue.

 

[GuinessGuy]

"Second Tier LCC"..........that's fine........If they want to pay me what they are paying me.....it could be 10th tier.......idiot........
I'm not in a cartel or use a bot......the cash is there for the taking.....

 

[shadesofBS]

"Second Tier LCC"..........that's fine........If they want to pay me what they are paying me.....it could be 10th tier.......idiot........
I'm not in a cartel or use a bot......the cash is there for the taking.....

At least we can all agree that we're a "second tier LCC" and NOT the fabulous place to work that we read about in Jetblue Pravda.

 

[linepilot]

"Second Tier LCC"..........that's fine........If they want to pay me what they are paying me.....it could be 10th tier.......idiot........
I'm not in a cartel or use a bot......the cash is there for the taking.....

Right. Who needs health insurance, competitive retirement, retiree medical, health care on disability, premium pay, sick time, or career protections when you're young and fabulous!

Are you young and fabulous? Cause I'm not. I have a family to protect.

 

[aewanabe]

"Second Tier LCC"..........that's fine........If they want to pay me what they are paying me.....it could be 10th tier.......idiot........
I'm not in a cartel or use a bot......the cash is there for the taking.....

I'm done buying the cash is there for the taking if you're not in a bot. I just flew with a guy who went on and on about his FOs making 150K in the right seat. It's just not true if you don't live in base, or want to whore yourself out to the tune of 19-20 days per month. Newsflash, the 80 percent of us who commute with a wife and kids want to be with our FAMILIES over half the month, not hanging out at "fabulous" blue.

I bid 40-50 percent in the 320 and my typical month is low-80s block with, gasp, low-mid 80s credit with 14-15 days off. There is NOT much soft time in our schedule. I can live on our guarantee pay but we need to stop spreading the fallacy that FLICA is a payraise awaiting at the snap of your fingers.

 

[StarChecker]

There is NOT much soft time in our schedule. I can live on our guarantee pay but we need to stop spreading the fallacy that FLICA is a payraise awaiting at the snap of your fingers.

A-friggin-men!

 

[GuinessGuy]

No, I don't commute, so I have much more time at home all while doing an extra day turn or two, still getting half the month off. We all know that commuting sucks. Don't come here and try to "wag the dog" because you commute and complain you can't pick up extra flying. If one turn, be it just to MCO or a juicy BQN, burned two to three days off, (insert commute) I wouldn't do it either. It is there for the taking.
Wife has a career, kids in school and sports....I wouldn't, move either, but when I fly with a guy that has a $hitty two legger, complains and doesnt have the wife/kid issues, but doesn't want to give up his 20acres with a 4000 sq ft house that he paid 300k for in the midwest, I feel no sympathy.....