Jetblue Growth

[linepilot]

I hope that they don't apply to those companies because they think that there is any type of scope protection. The thousands of pilots still on furlough would probably say that's unwise. The real reason that pilots will apply to those companies is their own egos not scope protection

It doesn't sound like you've run the numbers.

 

[shadesofBS]

Growth? Compare our 10 year growth to say AMR, DAL, UAL, LCC. Heck, AMR hasn't even hired in nearly 10 years! In that time period, we went from 1 airplane to 164 and currently have 40 A320 neo on order and converted 30/52 A-320 orders to A-321s.

Furthermore, why don't you take a 10-year snapshot at the unionized airline industry: Bankruptcies at all the legacies, furloughs abound, concessions, followed by two major mergers. Now, take a 10-year snapshot at Jetblue (a startup no-less). You have none of that. I'll take consistent, prudent growth resulting in a stable career over a long time vs having to keep a resume on hand for the next shake-up every 2-5 years.

There is a disconnect in this unionized industry that allows management all the power in the world to hit the "easy" button and effectively reset all the years of good-faith negotiated CBAs that don't hold the ink on the paper they're printed on when a company goes CH 7 or 11...

Go with the facts, not the rumors, and certainly not with your emotions-- the same one that lost the ALPA drive...

Why a 10 year snapshot?

My career is gonna be 35 years.

How about a 50 year snapshot?

And while we're at it, how about we include all non-union airlines? No? Don't like those "metrics?"

OK.

I'm looking at 10 years across the industry and even the bankrupt carriers have better pay and benefits than I do.

 

[n757st]

It doesn't sound like you've run the numbers.

For a guy slamming "regional youngsters", you seem to have been part of that regional crowd. FYI, most of the yes voters I've flown with.... Ex regional guys. Most of the no voters... Twa and airways guys.

 

[Fins Up]

For a guy slamming "regional youngsters", you seem to have been part of that regional crowd. FYI, most of the yes voters I've flown with.... Ex regional guys. Most of the no voters... Twa and airways guys.

I've flown with a couple TWA yes voters. Even they realize the necessity of a CBA and how little value our current arrangement has.

 

[xjhawk]

are they still not taking any new hires with PIC. they only ones hired that I have heard of lately is regional FO's.

 

[linepilot]

For a guy slamming "regional youngsters", you seem to have been part of that regional crowd. FYI, most of the yes voters I've flown with.... Ex regional guys. Most of the no voters... Twa and airways guys.

Most of the no voters I've flown with, are ex regional guys. That's because the TWA/Airways guys have all upgraded. But we KNEW about them. Those toads are a known quantity and they will be again. The list the BoBs distributed identifys each one of them.

I'm referring to the fresh no votes that jetblue will continue to cultivate down in Orlando.

And, YES, I did come up the hard way and I have seen the good and the bad of ALPA. But I have NEVER thought that there was any other way for a pilot than through the offices of the NMB with a well-funded union. I left Orlando in 2000 knowing full well that we would need a CBA.

Unfortunately many young minds need to see and experience bad decisions first hand. Like young pilot groups who absolutely have to try an in-house for a few years before they reluctantly agree that ALPA was always the better option.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I agree with n757st. I think if you could do an honest demographic vote analysis, you'd find it wasn't the "regional youngsters" who swung the vote.

Most likely it was the Senior Bubbas who are UAL/USAir furloughees that blame ALPA for their furloughs. The logical fallacy, of course, is the fact that ALPA doesn't furlough pilots, airline managers do.

But, I guess you have to have a target for your bitterness. At B6, it looks like its ALPA.

 

[linepilot]

I agree with n757st. I think if you could do an honest demographic vote analysis, you'd find it wasn't the "regional youngsters" who swung the vote.

Most likely it was the Senior Bubbas who are UAL/USAir furloughees that blame ALPA for their furloughs. The logical fallacy, of course, is the fact that ALPA doesn't furlough pilots, airline managers do.

But, I guess you have to have a target for your bitterness. At B6, it looks like its ALPA.

We've been dealing with the 600 or so TWA/Airways/Emery no voters since the organizing efforts began. They created the BoBs.

They've been a target for my bitterness since 2005. I'm just spreading the love now.

 

[Lake Alice]

Growth? Compare our 10 year growth to say AMR, DAL, UAL, LCC. Heck, AMR hasn't even hired in nearly 10 years! In that time period, we went from 1 airplane to 164 and currently have 40 A320 neo on order and converted 30/52 A-320 orders to A-321s.

Furthermore, why don't you take a 10-year snapshot at the unionized airline industry: Bankruptcies at all the legacies, furloughs abound, concessions, followed by two major mergers. Now, take a 10-year snapshot at Jetblue (a startup no-less). You have none of that. I'll take consistent, prudent growth resulting in a stable career over a long time vs having to keep a resume on hand for the next shake-up every 2-5 years.

There is a disconnect in this unionized industry that allows management all the power in the world to hit the "easy" button and effectively reset all the years of good-faith negotiated CBAs that don't hold the ink on the paper they're printed on when a company goes CH 7 or 11...

Go with the facts, not the rumors, and certainly not with your emotions-- the same one that lost the ALPA drive...

You have to understand BLue Bayou. Like many others he is happy to be here. Clueless as most and ignorant like no other. Every other legacy carrier in bankruptcy still has been work rules, retirement, insurance and protections EVEN in bankruptcy than Jetblue will ever have. Jetblue has grown in 10 years, like every other airline has. Jetblue has ordered planes in the past 10 years, like every other airline has. We have operated much the same as every other airline has only we do it for less pay, benefits, retirement, work rules, vacations time, sick time and protections. Blue Bayou is also the one of the pilots who called a chief pilot to report a pilot taxiing too slow. He is a management lackey. Even after the lawyers in DC specifically told our PVC that we are grossly unprotected with our 5 documents he continues to say "jetblue will take care of us" much like they have done the past 12 years.
Did you know that after 6 months on short term disability Jetblue makes you pay for your own health insurance? This is the type of company Jetblue is. A true people person company.

 

[B6Busdriver]

We've been dealing with the 600 or so TWA/Airways/Emery no voters since the organizing efforts began. They created the BoBs.

They've been a target for my bitterness since 2005. I'm just spreading the love now.

It's more than 600 and i am one of them. I am also an OC member, twice yes voter, and a no documents voter.