jetblue closes the door 20' prior to departure.

[johnboy99]

I would love to know what city pair Tranboy was traveling. He says he came in from a UAL international flight. Maybe IAD or SFO. It just does not happen that we push 20 minutes early especially, going to anywhere in south Florida. You wait on the 5 to 10 wheelchairs and there is always the late running passenger. Perhaps if he had called and listed as a jumpseater (hint, hint) they would have been looking for him. I will not leave early if we are expecting a commuter. Unless, it is the last leg then all bets are off.

 

[Sailpilot]

If I know a Jumpseater (Pilot) is coming, we will wait. If I know he is past security... whoops, I just thought of something I need to talk to dispatch about (on a land-line).

If I'm on day 4 and my kids are waiting and I have no clue about some guy showing up on 1 of the 60+ legs per the month.... See ya, shoulda told someone you were coming.

Reality: Those pilots still have no clue you were there. I guess we are supposed to hang-out just in case someone wants a ride. (about .00921% of the time).

(I guess this is the problem with Wifi in the terminal... pilot p!ssed and access to flightinfo without cool-down time)

 

[Skank]

good one.

sort of proves the point there.

a few years ago there would have been 5 or 10 jetblue guys apologizing and saying that shouldn't happen (leaving people at the gate). instead, all this guy is getting is attitude about how he chooses to commute, that is our FOM so screw you buddy, etc.

doesn't this bother you?

SWA guys are pretty pissed at our new boarding procedures where jumpseaters beyond the first 2 end up boarding at the very end of the cycle, usually meaning their bags get checked. but at least they get on board.

this guy asked a legitimate question, why is the door shut 20 minutes prior. all he got was grief.

If I was a jetblue guy, I'd be wondering how many other people get left to make a 20 minutes early push. that isn't the way to win hearts and minds but judging by this thread, some of you guys just don't care.

I guess when your company is 7 years old, the been there done attitude that settles in.

It blows to be left at the gate. That being said, it has happened to me, and I work here. I know it sucks, but sometimes you get a real tool for an agent, and they are dying to piss in a pilots wheaties.

On the other hand, I've had numerous bad experiences on other airlines and never written about it on flightinfo. I never will complain about jumpseat problems here.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

good one.

sort of proves the point there.

a few years ago there would have been 5 or 10 jetblue guys apologizing and saying that shouldn't happen (leaving people at the gate). instead, all this guy is getting is attitude about how he chooses to commute, that is our FOM so screw you buddy, etc.

doesn't this bother you?

SWA guys are pretty pissed at our new boarding procedures where jumpseaters beyond the first 2 end up boarding at the very end of the cycle, usually meaning their bags get checked. but at least they get on board.

this guy asked a legitimate question, why is the door shut 20 minutes prior. all he got was grief.

If I was a jetblue guy, I'd be wondering how many other people get left to make a 20 minutes early push. that isn't the way to win hearts and minds but judging by this thread, some of you guys just don't care.

I guess when your company is 7 years old, the been there done attitude that settles in.

Actually, it doesn't prove any of your points. I never judged him nor jumped on him for his "mistake". Reread my posts. It is what it is and if we were gonna open this thread up to EVERYBODY's experiences with jumpseating / non-revving / commuting, I bet it would be a mile long and filled with color from EVERY airline.

Like Sail -- I have respect for the commuter (I am one) and will make sure they get on. But if you don't even know they EXIST -- wtfo.

Are you gonna somehow weave fuel hedges and the supremacy of swa into this thread? ... because "yawn" I am getting bored.

 

[Sailpilot]

Hey Chef,

Don't ever agree with me again! It makes me feel DIRTY!

Excuse me while I go huddle in the show and wash this post off of me.

This guys a dipsh!t he was just posting about DAL on another thread.

 

[atlcrashpad]

20' = 20 feet; :20 = 20 minutes

What are you saying...

A. The pilots should fill out an ASAP for taxing with a door open.

B. The gate agent was a jerk and closed the door early, and the airplane sat there for another :15.

C. I just wanted the blue chips.

D. All of the above.

E. A and C

F. B and C

I'm gwoin ta guess an say closin' duh doe 20 feets prior ta depature aint watt he wuz sayin'........
bouyyyyyyyyy.....

 

[DorkProp]

I'm a commuter too, which is exactly why I'm going to leave as early as possible. If I don't get back to base early, I'm going to miss MY commute home.

Incidentally, at my company, the only time we can leave early is at an out-station. Therefore, there's no good excuse for a jumpseater not being at the gate :30 prior.

At the hub they will not let us depart early. So no worries if you're running from your connecting flight.

 

[say again]

I couldn't believed my ears when the jet blue agent told me I couldn'd get on the flight because he was ready to close the the flight 20' prior to departure.
I was trying to get on the flight after I arrived from an United international flight. I run to the jet blue gate with 20' to spare but he woudln't let me get on, he turn around and close the door on my face.
I guess he was going for the ontime $20 comission that day.

Sucks to be you. Try spell/grammar check next time, it's a great feature computers have these days.

 

[CA1900]

Sucks to be you. Try spell/grammar check next time, it's a great feature computers have these days.

That should be a semicolon, genius.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Really? They close the FED? I never knew that.

Now the FED has closed?

 

[CRJ puppy]

I'm surprised you can leave 20 minutes early, even with all paying pax onboard.

at SWA it is only 5 minutes early with all expected customers onboard and I hope that most flight deck crews are cruising the top of the jetway to make sure that we aren't leaving any j/s we could be taking. sometimes agents get their priorities wrong (and put efficiently on time before customer service).

I don't know if the thread starter was commuting or not but I'm surprised how many people jumped on him. closing the door 20 early seems more like a legacy thing than an LCC trying to keep good customer service thing. then again, I'm just a pilot and I just fly the plane.

then again with 20-30 minute scheduled turns, it'd be almost super-human to leave 20 early; so we don't run into this problem much, FOM 5 minute limitation or not.

Man...those of you who don't think you would or could push 20 early if all ticketed pax were on board have NEVER operated out of JFK where this "incident" may have happened. During late afternoon push/ international departure bank at JFK, if I can get out early with all pax and get to the head of the line so I'm not #43 for take-off, you know I'm going to do it and dispatch will be more and happy to let us go...that's a heck of a lot less fuel burned on the taxiway and a plane load of happy pax when we arrive at their destination earlier!

cheers!

 

[firstthird]

makes sense to me. of course, SWA doesn't operate in crowded airports, well, except maybe PHL or LAX or LAS. but it sounds like JFK is a whole nother animal, even exponentially more than PHL. my condolences on having to operate there regularly. at least with SWA and PHL, I might not see it except every other month or so.

 

[clr4theapch]

20'... what were you trying to get on a harrier jump jet.. this redefines short Field Takeoff... I'm kidding... I agree with everyone else said.. esp, not complaining here about J/S'ing.. bad business..

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

They close the flights 30 min prior now. Just ran into this problem this week on a double DH. We got to the gate at 1500 for a 1530 departure and the flight was closed!, the only reason we got on was because we were flying the plane back. So if you are not checked in 30 prior, its a no go!

 

[Jungle Prop]

Just get there as early as you can can and suck it up if you don't make it. If the crew knows your there or see you we will do everything we can to get you on. Almost all of us commute and know how hard it is. As with any other airline it's getting past the retard gate agents who don't know what commuting is like. That said don't complain about it because we have the most liberal jumpseat policy out there.

 

[say again]

That should be a semicolon, genius.

Thanks CA Dipsh!t!! I will remember that the next time.


-Genius

 

[clr4theapch]

Now, how do you think dispatchers feel... this has been our routine for years, that Gestpo "gaties" ALWAYS got us wrong.. thanks to many crews over the years, they would usually come to my rescue if they knew I was there.
Thank God I dont commute anymore..

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Fuel hedges are old news. The real supremacy of SWA is the 1-2-3 rule.

Like Sail -- I have respect for the commuter (I am one) and will make sure they get on. But if you don't even know they EXIST -- wtfo.

Are you gonna somehow weave fuel hedges and the supremacy of swa into this thread? ... because "yawn" I am getting bored.