Jet University

[RSixer]

I sometimes get these Avation magazines free in the mail, well I recieved one called "AutoPilot" this magazine had an article about Jet U saying how it has been such saving grace for the Airlines. It goes on by saying how much money these poor CRJ operators have to spend to train its pilots, and not in so many words how Jet U can pass that cost on to the trainees by having them pay $27,000 for CRJ-200 ground/FTD trianing, drug testing and your TSA backround check. Isn't that just wonderfull, sign me up! Not to mention after all that money (not including your stay in the Ft.Lauderdale area) your not even type rated in the aircraft. Not to start yet another P.F.T. debate, but I said before and i'll say it agian these places just piss me the *&^@ off.

 

[Joe Schmo]

sounds like a great deal

 

[pilotpat]

Can I quit and start over?

 

[The_Russian]

I sometimes get these Avation magazines free in the mail, well I recieved one called "AutoPilot" this magazine had an article about Jet U saying how it has been such saving grace for the Airlines. It goes on by saying how much money these poor CRJ operators have to spend to train its pilots, and not in so many words how Jet U can pass that cost on to the trainees by having them pay $27,000 for CRJ-200 ground/FTD trianing, drug testing and your TSA backround check. Isn't that just wonderfull, sign me up! Not to mention after all that money (not including your stay in the Ft.Lauderdale area) your not even type rated in the aircraft. Not to start yet another P.F.T. debate, but I said before and i'll say it agian these places just piss me the *&^@ off.

This is the problem.

None of that 27,000 dollars takes you anywhere near a "real life" experience. All you get for your money is profile training. Any pilot with an acceptable level of SA should be aware of how to fly alongside and outside the profiles. The only way you can get that training is by flying the airplane.

It's almost like you are paying for some extra sims from PCL themselves. Half of the sims are in a home-built CRJ sim that sits flat on the ground. The classes are taught by people who have never held a PIC position in any airplane. And, some of the classes are taught by people who have never flown the CRJ at all.

Personally, I can't believe people go there. Neither JetU or GAA are helpful anymore since airlines will hire with certs only. I am especially bewildered that people will go to JetU now knowing that they won't fly a dam thing.

What if PCL doesn't hire you? What a waste of money! Even if you get hired at another regional, you will have to learn the profiles all over again. Leaving your 27K at the bottom of the sink.

:smash:

-Ruskie

 

[aviator4life]

A lot of pure IGNORANCE and no FACTS

Not to keep this annoying subject going from over a month ago. I am absolutely tired of fellow pilots on websites like these that continually bash and pick on how other people obtained their training and maybe even a job. You guys no for a fact (and I will talk facts here in a moment) that if these types of programs were available when you were first learning to fly you would have taken advantage of them. Let me give you an example. I go to a local FBO and spend lets say around 25,000.00 getting a PRIVATE, INSTRUMENT, COMMERCIAL/MULTI. Then I go to a place like JET University and spend 27,000.00 to get into a CRJ with less than 400 hours. Lets say FOR EXAMPLE YOU go to a local FBO spend the first 25,000.00 and add about another 5,000 for Commercial Single then add about 7,000.00 or so on instructor ratings. So you may have done so for a little less money but what have you lost ?? How about the senority number you lost flight instructing for two years (WHATS THAT GONNA COST YA) So in my example I may have spent a little more money than you, but I have a job and by the time you get a job in two years I will probably be your Captain. So to me its all about your situation. It is not that going to a place like Jet U is bad it is really just two ways of getting to the same place. Jet U graduates and YES I do know a few of them, are some of the most well rounded pilots and happen to, in most cases know more about the CRJ than some Captains who have been flying a CRJ for years. AND ABOUT THE TEACHING STAFF AT JET U, this is for you "The_Russian" CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF AT THE MOUTH. Most of the instructors at Jet U probably have more experience than you. Most are current airlne pilots and some retired. One of the sim instructors has flown all over the world and even flew for many years with Eastern Airlines. SO CHECK YOUR FACTS or Just state your opinion instead of acting like you really know. Point is everybody needs to grow up and stop ballbusting thee programs. It really never helped me to make a choice of where I was going to go to school. I checked out the schools face to face, by touring them and talking to graduates and current students. Just be happy you are a pilot living your dream, and if you are not living your dream then stop flying and stop whining.

 

[aviator4life]

A lot of pure IGNORANCE and no FACTS

Not to keep this annoying subject going from over a month ago. I am absolutely tired of fellow pilots on websites like these that continually bash and pick on how other people obtained their training and maybe even a job. You guys no for a fact (and I will talk facts here in a moment) that if these types of programs were available when you were first learning to fly you would have taken advantage of them. Let me give you an example. I go to a local FBO and spend lets say around 25,000.00 getting a PRIVATE, INSTRUMENT, COMMERCIAL/MULTI. Then I go to a place like JET University and spend 27,000.00 to get into a CRJ with less than 400 hours. Lets say FOR EXAMPLE YOU go to a local FBO spend the first 25,000.00 and add about another 5,000 for Commercial Single then add about 7,000.00 or so on instructor ratings. So you may have done so for a little less money but what have you lost ?? How about the senority number you lost flight instructing for two years (WHATS THAT GONNA COST YA) So in my example I may have spent a little more money than you, but I have a job and by the time you get a job in two years I will probably be your Captain. So to me its all about your situation. It is not that going to a place like Jet U is bad it is really just two ways of getting to the same place. Jet U graduates and YES I do know a few of them, are some of the most well rounded pilots and happen to, in most cases know more about the CRJ than some Captains who have been flying a CRJ for years. AND ABOUT THE TEACHING STAFF AT JET U, this is for you "The_Russian" CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF AT THE MOUTH. Most of the instructors at Jet U probably have more experience than you. Most are current airlne pilots and some retired. One of the sim instructors has flown all over the world and even flew for many years with Eastern Airlines. SO CHECK YOUR FACTS or Just state your opinion instead of acting like you really know. Point is everybody needs to grow up and stop ballbusting thee programs. It really never helped me to make a choice of where I was going to go to school. I checked out the schools face to face, by touring them and talking to graduates and current students. Just be happy you are a pilot living your dream, and if you are not living your dream then stop flying and stop whining.

 

[fastback]

You guys no for a fact (and I will talk facts here in a moment) that if these types of programs were available when you were first learning to fly you would have taken advantage of them.

1. It's "know".

2. Ever heard of Tab? They were around when I was a newly minted Commercial pilot, 02/03. Regional minimums were much higher 4 and 5 years ago. Still, most pilots, myself included, had the good common sense to avoid the PFT thing then. Today, there is even less need to go to a place like JU, assuming you want to work for a regional.

 

[The_Russian]

Where do I start?

Not to keep this annoying subject going from over a month ago. I am absolutely tired of fellow pilots on websites like these that continually bash and pick on how other people obtained their training and maybe even a job.

Sure, you don't want to keep it going! Welcome to the FlightInfo community. Get over it, you will last longer here. Please don't come on here trying to justify your career moves or choice of path to the airlines. Trust me, I know first hand. Please, allow those of us who have been down your road give you a reality check.

You guys no for a fact (and I will talk facts here in a moment) that if these types of programs were available when you were first learning to fly you would have taken advantage of them.

A lot of people did, and did not. So, who cares?

Let me give you an example. I go to a local FBO and spend lets say around 25,000.00 getting a PRIVATE, INSTRUMENT, COMMERCIAL/MULTI. Then I go to a place like JET University and spend 27,000.00 to get into a CRJ with less than 400 hours. Lets say FOR EXAMPLE YOU go to a local FBO spend the first 25,000.00 and add about another 5,000 for Commercial Single then add about 7,000.00 or so on instructor ratings. So you may have done so for a little less money but what have you lost ?? How about the senority number you lost flight instructing for two years (WHATS THAT GONNA COST YA)

Don't try to justify this by explaining it financially. We don't care. Everyone spends a different sum of money to achieve their ratings and experience.

What you have lost is flight time that could have lead you to become a better aviator and professional. Not just some lump behind an autopilot who wears his hat because the company says so. What you are getting out of Jet U for 27K is sim time. Thats it. It does you no good, except for procedures familiarization. Just to give you a wake up call, some of the regional airlines are hiring with a commercial multi, and you could have got that training for free. If you were going to spend 27K on airline training, at least you could have gone to GAA and put some actual flying time in your logbook.

So in my example I may have spent a little more money than you, but I have a job and by the time you get a job in two years I will probably be your Captain.

The question is, will you be able to act as one? Will you have the stick skills to save the aircraft and pax when everything goes wrong? I am sure you will say yes, but we will find out when it really happens. All that sim training may pay off, but maybe not. Personally, I have seen too many of you fastrack guys to know the truth. Good luck with that one. Concerning the "Captian" comment, good luck being behind the pilots who are going to airlines with just thier commercial multi right now.

So to me its all about your situation. It is not that going to a place like Jet U is bad it is really just two ways of getting to the same place.

The greater of two evils.

Jet U graduates and YES I do know a few of them, are some of the most well rounded pilots and happen to, in most cases know more about the CRJ than some Captains who have been flying a CRJ for years.

Sure they are. 250 hours of primary training. Approximately 70 some hours of sitting in a CRJ sim. Great. The Apollo program can go all over again. Get over yourself(s). Some of my guys are sharp too, but I would never consider them "well rounded". A well rounded pilot is one who has served under many different operations under many different flying conditions.

AND ABOUT THE TEACHING STAFF AT JET U, this is for you "The_Russian" CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF AT THE MOUTH. Most of the instructors at Jet U probably have more experience than you. Most are current airlne pilots and some retired. One of the sim instructors has flown all over the world and even flew for many years with Eastern Airlines. SO CHECK YOUR FACTS or Just state your opinion instead of acting like you really know.

Yes, some of them came from GAA. And, a lot of them are my current friends right now. One of them happens to be coming over to my house as I am typing this post. Spouting off at the mouth, huh? Who is the one really spouting off here aviator4life? It might just be you. If you read my previous post, you will find all the "facts", but it seems you don't like to hear them. Sorry for you. If you knew the truth behind most of the people you are learning from, you might just throw up.

Point is everybody needs to grow up and stop ballbusting thee programs.

The reason they "ball-bust" them is because they don't promote good airmenship. It is too bad you will never see the other side of being a professional pilot.

It really never helped me to make a choice of where I was going to go to school.

Maybe you should have asked first.

I checked out the schools face to face, by touring them and talking to graduates and current students. Just be happy you are a pilot living your dream, and if you are not living your dream then stop flying and stop whining.

We are, we just aren't happy with the way you are talking to us right now. Nor are we happy that you considered Jet U as the best training for your airline career. I am not trying to be a d!ck, I am just informing you of the truth of the matter.

 

[aviator4life]

Well Well, Where DO I START ??

The question is, will you be able to act as one? Will you have the stick skills to save the aircraft and pax when everything goes wrong? I am sure you will say yes, but we will find out when it really happens. All that sim training may pay off, but maybe not. Personally, I have seen too many of you fastrack guys to know the truth. Good luck with that one. Concerning the "Captian" comment, good luck being behind the pilots who are going to airlines with just thier commercial multi right now.

First of all let me start off by saying, I am sorry if I seemed unprofessional. I apologize for insulting you or anyone for that matter. It is just very irritating when someone like myself ha been through hell and back trying to realize my dream only to have people put down the way I am accomplishing it versus the way they did. I am not some 18 year old child who is ignorant of the facts. I am in my thirties and spent 8 years in the USAF, four of which as a Flight Engineer. I just wonder why a few bad apple schools out there have left such distaste that now no one is trusted.

Yes, some of them came from GAA. And, a lot of them are my current friends right now. One of them happens to be coming over to my house as I am typing this post. Spouting off at the mouth, huh? Who is the one really spouting off here aviator4life? It might just be you. If you read my previous post, you will find all the "facts", but it seems you don't like to hear them. Sorry for you. If you knew the truth behind most of the people you are learning from, you might just throw up.

Oh really, name a few cause now you have my curiosity. Why are these people who you consider scum of the flight training industry, your FRIENDS !
I would say that is kind of hippocritical. So please help me as you say you are trying to do and tell me about these friends of yours. You may seriously be able to convince me that I made a bad choice. Truth is I don't think you know anybody on a good friend basis at Jet U.

The reason they "ball-bust" them is because they don't promote good airmenship. It is too bad you will never see the other side of being a professional pilot.

Lets talk about good airmanship. Being a good airman starts with Flight Discipline as a foundation. (Yes I am currently reading "Flight Discipline" by Tony Kern and have already read "Redefining Airmanship" by the same author) It has nothing to do with what school you attended. It has a lot to do with character traits. There are many things that make a good airman, such as being a good leader, critical decision making, continually learning, and knowing when to humble yourself when pride begins to snap at your heels. I will see the "other side of being a professional pilot" and it will be because I am following the right people and I am not talking about Jet U. You see I can't afford to flight instruct for two years or even a year for that matter. So that is the reason for Jet U. When I do become an FO with a regional I am going to be a sponge and learn as much as possible from those who have come before me. I do not wish to be lumped in with the 250 hr arrogant wonders that these forums talk about all the time. Let me give you an example of how I feel about airmanship. There are some regionals that are lowering the upgrade time to captain, quite a few actually. I personnaly am not motivated by the quickest upgrade time. There are more important things such as QOL for example, but more importantly, I want the time to become that well rounded pilot before I upgrade to Captain. I respect that position and believe it must be earned not given away.

We are, we just aren't happy with the way you are talking to us right now. Nor are we happy that you considered Jet U as the best training for your airline career. I am not trying to be a d!ck, I am just informing you of the truth of the matter.

I once again do apologize for coming off the way I did, I am just a little frustrated by all of the time wasted on the bickering. I hope that you can see and understand a little bit of what I am saying.

And lastly, if you really want to guide me in the right direction, try to understand my situation first. By the way, I am still interested to know who these friends of yours are that teach at Jet U.

 

[RSixer]

Aviator.. just to set it straight, nothing I said was bashing other pilots. No where did I say that if anyone who goes to JetU or any other PFT type school, makes them a bad pilot. In my mind those issues are entirely seperate. But I've been doing this for a little while, and my piont is this, there is absolutly no reason to pay these large amounts of money to schools that claim to "prepare" you for the regionals, one day you will see this.