FNG320 said:
8vATE, jetblue320, and maybe you to PsubS,
I'm really sorry you don't like to hear what some of us have to say. But this is the USA and it's my god given right to complain. If you don't like it, then don't listen. Yet, the worst part of this is that you all appear to be unwilling to listen, even when we have the facts and the facts speak volumes. For you all, it is always "Ready... Shoot... Aim". Anyone that doesn't agree with you all is 100% wrong. I know that you guys as "senior" JB pilots deserve a lot. You all made the decision to join JB in the beginning when JB was brand new, no track record, no airplanes and the other Major airlines hiring like gang busters. That took a lot of guts and we all owe you a lot for that, and a big thanks for starting us on the path. However, we FNGs also now work for JB and have the same right to work here as you do. However I'm afraid that maybe you guys are the ones who are the problem. You are too close to the issues and have been blinded to the truth, like someone who has been brainwashed by a cult. You can't see what is really happening around you or don't want to, or worse it is the position of "it doesn't affect me, so I don't care" I just wish you guys would try and pull your heads out of the sand for once. You all seem to forget that management has constantly stated that they appreciate the fact that we have been willing to speak our minds to them, the chief pilots office, to the Values committee on issues that we think are important. Management says that they learn volumes from what we all have to say. That it is our complaints and suggestions help them identify problems and issues that need fixing. And right now it seems that it is mostly us FNGs that are willing to see the world as it really is and call a spade a spade. I have no doubt that things will work out. However it is the squeeky wheel that gets the grease. If we don't let them know what we need, then we deserve to get nothing, we deserve to be stepped on.
FNG
I agree that "we" (meaning ALL) JB pilots should voice our opinions, concerns, and beefs with our leaders. And let me set one thing straight...my dislike for 2Dogs has nothing to do with robbing him of his right to speak out about his distaste for the comtract, or lack there of. My squak with him is that he has made many personal attacks on me on this very forum ranging from name calling and professional insults. THAT is why I antagonize him every chance I have.
As far as you so called junior guys being shunned by the senior ones, well, I am sorry you feel that way because from where I sit, it just ain't so. Do you remember what Dave B. said about the feedback they got from the total of Pocket Sessions, emails and the like? It was about "250 pilots". Well, I don't know (or care) of the breakdown by seniority but it doesn't really matter. If 250 out of 850 pilots had a beef about any part of the agreement, that's less than 30% of the force. In a democratic environment, the majority was at least happy enough not to say anything, regardless of the reason (don't care, unavailable, vacation, etc).
I guess my point regarding your post is, hey, if you have a beef, fine, you have every right to be pissed, disappointed, whatever. But don't take it out on me because you aren't happy because I am not the one who effected this discourt on you. And just because I am senior AND happy as I could possibly be with my job and future, doesn't mean I am stupid or blind to what goes on around me. And FWIW, 8vAte is actually pretty junior if I recall correctly, I don't know about PsubS.
And most importantly; if 2Dogs (and yourself) are wanting to air your gripes about JB, I suggest you do it with the ones who can effect change, and believe me, they aren't on Flightinfo.com.
I have no beef with you FNG, and do not wish to start one. If you ask around the campus, I think you would find that those that know me, would tell you that I would bust my hump in anyway I could to help you, or any other JB Bro out. But there are a few guys out there that sometimes can't see the forest through the trees and get downright belligerent about it. For those few, I have lost my patience and respect for and just simply wish they would go away and stop spreading their bad ju ju.
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