JB orders A321's and A320NEO's!!!!

[boknowsASA]

JB orders A321 and A320NEO!!!!

http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=131045&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1576421&highlight=

JB orders 40 A320NEO and 30 A321!

 

[skidbuggy]

How will they handle the pay?

Another question comes to mind; how is this news? They already had A32O series on order. They are converting what they have on the 'books' to the A321.. correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks

 

[vtchaz]

How will they handle the pay?

Another question comes to mind; how is this news? They already had A32O series on order. They are converting what they have on the 'books' to the A321.. correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks

You are correct about the conversions. 52 A320s on Order and 30 are being converted to A321s. They are ordering 40 additional A320NEOs as well as becoming the launch customer for the 320 Winglet retrofits.

 

[AKAAB]

40 NEOs without any delivery schedule...the rest are conversions and some delivery deferrals. We can put away the champagne.

Sorry, there is nothing to get excited about here other than the fact that JB has acknowledged that ALPA is not the boogyman and the airline is not going down the tubes when the ALPA election is final.

 

[Cheeta]

Estimated Airbus Delivery Schedule



4Q-2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 TTL

​

A320 (former order 1 7 7 12 15 10 52


A320 (current order) 1 7 4 2 8 22


A321 (current order) - - 3 9 10 8 30


Change - - - (3) (5) - 80


Total 1 7 7 9 10 10 8 52

 

[slackass]

perhaps this is easier to read

4Q-2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
TTL
A320 (former order)
1
7
7
12
15
10​

52
A320 (current order)
1
7
4​

2
8
22
A321 (current order)
-
-
3
9
10
8​

30
Change
-
-
-
(3)
(5)
-
8
0
Total
1
7
7
9
10
10
8
52​

This chart is an estimate of future deliveries and is subject to change. This chart does not reflect A320neo deliveries.

I guess that isn't better. Graph wouldn't copy correctly, sorry.

 

[kommutrdog]

40 NEOs without any delivery schedule...the rest are conversions and some delivery deferrals. We can put away the champagne.

Sorry, there is nothing to get excited about here other than the fact that JB has acknowledged that ALPA is not the boogyman and the airline is not going down the tubes when the ALPA election is final.

You do realize your entire response is one big contradiction.

ALPA is not the boogeyman, granted. They are merely an out-dated, visionless, salary-confiscation entity that has done NOTHING for the industry in the last 30 years.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Handle the pay? Really? A non-Union company? They're going to pay you the same rate for every A320 series in the fleet. That is, until you get ALPA on the property and you negotiate a CBA with different rates.

 

[hyflyin]

You do realize your entire response is one big contradiction.

ALPA is not the boogeyman, granted. They are merely an out-dated, visionless, salary-confiscation entity that has done NOTHING for the industry in the last 30 years.

Maybe true, but it is better than not having any representation.

 

[hyflyin]

Handle the pay? Really? A non-Union company? They're going to pay you the same rate for every A320 series in the fleet. That is, until you get ALPA on the property and you negotiate a CBA with different rates.

Alaska doesn't pay you to operate a/c with more seats. The 321 isn't a different type, it just has more seats.

 

[Fubijaakr]

The 321 isn't a different type, it just has more seats.

Exactly the point. Why does anyone expect that there will be a higher pay rate, especially when management has the ability impose any pay rate at any time?

 

[hyflyin]

Exactly the point. Why does anyone expect that there will be a higher pay rate, especially when management has the ability impose any pay rate at any time?

Fail to see your point, you didn't achieve it with Alpa.

 

[B6Busdriver]

It's not an order, it's a MOU......memorandum of understanding. Smoke and mirrors boys and girls.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Fail to see your point, you didn't achieve it with Alpa.

Too bad you don't know the history of my place. In fact, we did. Then we traded that higher -900 pay rate for something the pilots wanted more.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

 

[hyflyin]

Too bad you don't know the history of my place. In fact, we did. Then we traded that higher -900 pay rate for something the pilots wanted more.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Fub, I was trying to figure out the relevance. Why would I follow what has been going on at a place I never desired to work at? Thats your job to stick your nose in everybodies business. I follow where I have an interest in possibly working. I am sure many did not know, nor what the relevance of your statement was.

Don't be so combative.

Thanks for the answer.

 

[Fubijaakr]

No you weren't. You were trying to equate what will happen at a non-Union carrier with what exists at a Union carrier. The problem is you don't have a clue how or why we got there.

 

[TommyG]

ALPA. No ALPA. It's all b/s. Here's an airline that is focused on growth and more importantly HIRING! ALPA and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.

 

[sligo1]

ALPA. No ALPA. It's all b/s. Here's an airline that is focused on growth and more importantly HIRING! ALPA and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.

No sorry no growth here, just listen to todays webcast-the total deliveries is a net loss. Union busting 101, but sorry weve seen the playbook.

Are you for real.

 

[Fins Up]

Too bad you don't know the history of my place. In fact, we did. Then we traded that higher -900 pay rate for something the pilots wanted more.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

At what company are you employed? (This question is for Fubi only.)

 

[B6Busdriver]

ALPA. No ALPA. It's all b/s. Here's an airline that is focused on growth and more importantly HIRING! ALPA and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.

Huh? Read the press release and do the math! Furthermore this was a MOU with no defined delivery schedule. All paper airplanes that may never fly in B6 colors. This is an attempt to make the juicers feel good. Period.

Shiney paper airplanes don't give me representation.

 

[Fins Up]

Huh? Read the press release and do the math! Furthermore this was a MOU with no defined delivery schedule. All paper airplanes that may never fly in B6 colors. This is an attempt to make the juicers feel good. Period.

Shiney paper airplanes don't give me representation.

So JetBlue went to Airbus and asked them to agree that both JetBlue and Airbus will put out bogus press releases about taking new airplanes just to try to get the pilots to feel good enough to not vote in a union? I highly doubt it.

 

[Cavity]

Estimated Airbus Delivery Schedule

4Q-2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
TTL
A320 (former order)
1
7
7
12
15
10​

52
A320 (current order)
1
7
4​

2
8
22
A321 (current order)
-
-
3
9
10
8​

30
Change
-
-
-
(3)
(5)
-
8
0
Total
1
7
7
9
10
10
8
52​

This chart is an estimate of future deliveries and is subject to change. This chart does not reflect A320neo deliveries.

This press release contains statements of a forward-looking nature which represent our management's beliefs and assumptions concerning future events. When used in this document and in documents incorporated herein by reference, the words "expects," and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions, and are based on information currently available to us. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements due to many factors, including, without limitation, our extremely competitive industry; volatility in financial and credit markets which could affect our ability to obtain debt and/or lease financing or to raise funds through debt or equity issuances; increases in fuel prices, maintenance costs and interest rates; our ability to implement our growth strategy, including the ability to operate reliably the EMBRAER 190 aircraft and our new terminal at JFK; our significant fixed obligations; our ability to attract and retain qualified personnel and maintain our culture as we grow; our reliance on high daily aircraft utilization; our dependence on the New York metropolitan market and the effect of increased congestion in this market; our reliance on automated systems and technology; our being subject to potential unionization; our reliance on a limited number of suppliers; changes in or additional government regulation; changes in our industry due to other airlines' financial condition; a continuance of the economic recessionary conditions in the U.S. or a further economic downturn leading to a continuing or accelerated decrease in demand for domestic and business air travel; and external geopolitical events and conditions. Further information concerning these and other factors is contained in the Company's Securities and Exchange Commission filings, including but not limited to, the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2010 and our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. We undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after the date of this report.

 

[Tomct]

At what company are you employed? (This question is for Fubi only.)

I could tell ya if he won't fIns. ;-)

 

[hyflyin]

No you weren't. You were trying to equate what will happen at a non-Union carrier with what exists at a Union carrier. The problem is you don't have a clue how or why we got there.

Ah, now your a mind reader. You really have issues.

Take care Fubi.