JB 190's

[Otto77]

Interesting! Has the company actually mentioned trying to replace the 190s? More Bus's?

 

[Headfake14]

Not officially. But I hear there is an ultimatum...something about having to meet certain benchmarks of reliability and probably a few other things by some time later this year.

It would be time consuming and expensive to dump them....we'll see.

 

[Flyby1206]

It would be time consuming and expensive to dump them....we'll see.

I wonder if someone would be interested in buying the E190s? coughAmericancough

 

[Otto77]

I thought I read somewhere that USairways is trying to get rid of their 190 fleet as well?

 

[Headfake14]

I thought I read somewhere that USairways is trying to get rid of their 190 fleet as well?

I think republic took some.

 

[Beechnut]

I think republic took some.

Yup. And those 190's are being transferred to the Frontier certificate so the whole crap sandwich can be dumped in one fell swoop. It seems as though everyone that has the 190 wants to get rid of it.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Interesting! Has the company actually mentioned trying to replace the 190s? More Bus's?

The Rob Maruster said they may have to reevaluate how many more we get. His words not mine.

 

[skidbuggy]

I think republic took some.

Could that be why Republic's boss was in New York talking to your boss in the past few weeks? Or was there something else taking place?

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Bosses talk. If your suggesting merger what good does that do for jetblue. It gives them a hub with the largest airline in the world(UAL) and the most competitive(SWA). What airline would knowingly walk into that?

 

[pilot772]

Bosses talk. If your suggesting merger what good does that do for jetblue. It gives them a hub with the largest airline in the world(UAL) and the most competitive(SWA). What airline would knowingly walk into that?

I think there is a better chance they were discussing an aircraft swap. We have about the same amount of 190's as Frontier has 319/320's. We are frustrated with the 190's and could off load them to Republic. In turn Bedford (now that he has his concessions)can sell the airbuses and turn Frontier into a single fleet. Do I think this will actually happen? Probably not but that is a more likely scenario then a merger/buyout of Frontier.

 

[amcflyboy]

The 190 has turned out to be a very expensive piece of doo doo. The company has finally admitted the future of the 190 is questionable and future delivery numbers will be reevaluated. The airplane can not make money over 800 miles. Also the heavy checks are proving to be more costly than the Airbus. The 319 NEO, albeit only a paper airplane at this time, is expected to have only slightly higher costs than the 190. Interesting times.......

So what's going on with these planes? Why are they failing?

 

[B6Busdriver]

So what's going on with these planes? Why are they failing?

They are Embraers, do I have to say anything else?

 

[johnsonrod]

I think there is a better chance they were discussing an aircraft swap. We have about the same amount of 190's as Frontier has 319/320's. We are frustrated with the 190's and could off load them to Republic. In turn Bedford (now that he has his concessions)can sell the airbuses and turn Frontier into a single fleet. Do I think this will actually happen? Probably not but that is a more likely scenario then a merger/buyout of Frontier.

I still think a merger is more likely down the road. Think about it - you get the Airbuses, you get a new West Coastish hub in Denver (without limited LGB slots - you can actually grow the hub a bit), a new mini-hub in MKE, and you have one less low-cost competitor (especially for East-West traffic). It makes sense from a strategic standpoint. Perhaps the E190 trade would still take place as part of the deal...

Regardless, I am sure the Investment Bankers and the high-paid McKinsey consultants will have it all figured out. :crying::laugh::bawling:

 

[n757st]

I still think a merger is more likely down the road. Think about it - you get the Airbuses, you get a new West Coastish hub in Denver (without limited LGB slots - you can actually grow the hub a bit), a new mini-hub in MKE, and you have one less low-cost competitor (especially for East-West traffic). It makes sense from a strategic standpoint. Perhaps the E190 trade would still take place as part of the deal...

Regardless, I am sure the Investment Bankers and the high-paid McKinsey consultants will have it all figured out. :crying::laugh::bawling:

Nope.

1)Den- An airport hubbed by 3 airlines with crap yield.
2)Mke - same as Den but with less people and 2 airlines.

No thanks, doesn't fit the business model, which is to stay in business.

 

[Flyby1206]

They are Embraers, do I have to say anything else?

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