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flyboytop1

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Hey guys, anyone have info on flying for Japan airlines? Just got an email from WAS, INC . Email said they're looking to hiring F/O's for B747-200 positions. Based in Honolulu. 3 year min contract; they look to hired(prefer) guys who will be there til retirement (65 for JAL); captain upgrade is 2 years. What is F/o pay?? and do they pay for living in hawaii? email did state 5th year captain will make more then 12 year b777 captain for UAL. Could be a good 20 year gig. Thanks for any info- positive and negative comments welcome..
 
I just posted something on this last week straight from our Dalpa website. Some of our furloughed guys are flying over there. Go back a few pages on this Majors forum.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I talked to a HNL based Capt last summer in NRT that had been with them 5 yrs and he was happy.....
 
Here is a post from the Dalpa website:

"Yes they are having class in Denver but you will still need to go to Japan to do some training. The training commitment is for $30K not $25K. The pay has changed and will go up again in April. You are paid a 60 hr min during training now and that is to keep it in line with the other contract pilot suppliers like HACS. They do let you fly as Capt and currently it takes appx 3yrs after training if the nationals think you can handle it. They do not mix crews. Meaning they have JAL crews and JALWays crews and there is no mixing of crews. i.e. Japanese capt/ WASINC F/O. You will get to fly with other contract capt's as F/O. Yes they say the resignation is not required, but they will not send you to training with out it.


The schedules vary. There is no "seniority" but there is. You can commute but they want you to say that you are willing to move to HI and not commute the whole time. You can work a two week on two week off. They are pretty flexible, but preference is given to the locals."



Another guy stated:


"The guarantee is 50 hours a month at about $95.00 an hour. They will also tell you that you can commute but they really want guys to move to Hawaii. Rough calculation of $3200.00 to $3500.00 a month to live in Hawaii won't get you far.

Also, be aware that IF you sign the training contract they will hold you to it. They raised the price from $10,000 to $25,000 if you leave prior to 3 years. And remember, the 3 years doesn't start until after you have completed your 7 month training in Japan. Also, they don't pro-rate it over the life of the contract. 25k is 25k, at least that is how it worked when it was 10k.

They will also ask you if you are willing to give up your seniority number, to which I said I wouldn't. This doesn't seem to be a huge factor but if they have to decide between someone who will and won't you can count on them taking the guy who will. Bummer of the situation is that US Airways guys don't have anything to lose while American and United guys don't don't have to worry about their companies accepting them.

The interview is fairly grueling. MMPI and a bunch of IQ related tests. Not much gouge out there. I went in cold and didn't have a problem. The personal interview was with the Chief Pilot and CEO (Steve Turner). If they called you for the interview they want you to pass. The hardest part is getting past the Japanese guys that give you the sim check. Out of 37, 14 moved on to the 2 day health check out at the Mayo Clinic. Not sure how many ended up going to Japan for training."



Hope that helps.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
There are a bunch of former TWA guys there. The training is typical Japanese--they bring "anal" to a new level. You had better be able to pass an astronaut physical and have a "serious" attitude during the sim phase. If you don't do the sim prep you are not likely to pass. Did I mention they are extremely ANAL? If you can fly the sim profile inverted and telling jokes the whole way down and still make a perfect landing, you will be tossed. Seriously, we had a person fail the sim ride because, in spite of flying a perfect profile, she didn't show the proper seriousness during the ride. Give me a break!

Everything must be done EXACTLY as proceedure dictates. If you are to push a button with your index finger and you push it with your middle finger in the sim, it will be debrifed. No $hit.

Once you are through training, it is a blast. Everyone I've talked to is thrilled. First year pay is $85k. I think second year goes up to $105 (but that may be third year). Captain is a "recommendation" based upgrade. If the guys you fly with think you are due to upgrade, you get the opportunity. They want you to finish your first contract (it has been three years) before upgrading. Captain pay is $150k.

You are flying and laying over with 24 Thai FA's under 25 years of age. Did I mention the interview and training was extremely ANAL? ;) TC
 
I just heard a couple things there, the 24 Thai girls under the age of 25 and the word Anal.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Wow, I bet I could use the proper finger and be serious in the sim for 24 Anal Thai girls..

Is that what he said???

:) ...
 
ALRIGHT! THIS IS A THREAD HIJACKING! REMAIN CALM, DON'T TRY ANYTHING STUPID AND NO ONE GETS HURT! ;) :D TC
 
Where are the midgets?

sorry, I meant little people!
 

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