Goose17 said:
If you were an Airbus FO and wanted to switch to MD-11 FO, you could. Once you are in the MD-11, you are THEN locked into that seat for 2 years. If you were in the DC-10 as an FO, but back bid to the SO position, you could do that too, but once you got there, you would then be locked into the SO seat for 2 years.
Nothing prevents a back bid or lateral move, but once you get there, you are stuck for 2 years.
Goose17
OK, guys. If you've got access to the FedEx pilots' website, go take a look for yourself:
Section 24.E. Filling of Vacancies - Other Crew Position Award Procedures (If you don't, I'll try to post enough so you can follow along.)
First, the definition of Lateral or Downbid is based on hourly rate. So, in order of pay: 72 SO, 10 SO, 72 FO, 10/11/30 FO, 72 CA, 10/11/30 CA
Second, the definition of Down/Lateral Bid
Restriction: Unless waived by the Vice President, Flight Operations, or his designee, a pilot may not receive a permanent
vacancy award based on a down/lateral bid unless he has been in his
current crew status for at least
18 months.
Third, the definition of Down/Lateral Bid
Freeze: A pilot who is activated in a crew status that requires
ITU training based on a down/lateral bid shall be frozen in that crew status for
24 months, commencing on his actual activation date. A pilot is
not eligible for a permanent crew position
award requiring ITU training with a projected training date during that freeze period except under the following conditions...
So, back to Goose's example: "If you were an Airbus FO and wanted to switch to MD-11 FO,..." you would be
restricted. You could not be awarded MD-11 FO (a lateral bid) unless you had been an Airbus FO for at least 18 months.
If you meet that restriction, you can be awarded the MD-11 FO crew position. Once you're activated as an MD-11 FO, you are then frozen for 24 months. If you could hold A380 Captain at $2000 an hour the very next month, too bad - - you're stuck where you are for 24 months. There is one exception that would release you from the freeze, though. (Well, several, but only one of interest here.) "A pilot who down bid in his aircraft to a lower crew seat is eligible for an award of a crew position in a higher crew seat in the same aircraft type during the time of his freeze." So, if you bid from DC-10 FO to DC-10 SO, you could get an award during the period of the freeze for DC-10 FO, but not MD-11 FO.
Now, don't confuse the Down/Lateral Bid
Restriction or Down/Lateral Bid
Freeze with the Bidding Restrictions
on Subsequent Postings:
During the time a pilot is in ITU training, he shall not be awarded a crew status that he could have been awarded on the posting containing the crew position for which he presently is in training, or on a subsequent posting that closed prior to the start of his training.
This restriction is that to which Spur refers, and was brought up to answer the questions of 2Aoff1Bon and LEROY. Since they could not hold 72 FO in the previous bids, there is no "Bidding Restriction on Subsequent Postings" that applies. IF (and it looks very likely) they are awarded a higher seat position on THIS posting, that doesn't take away the position that they were previously awarded (DC-10 SO). The question they asked is, essentially, "Would I still go to DC-10 SO school?" That's where Cancellation of Awards comes into play. (That's 24.E.4 for those of you who are following along at home.
)
Cancellation of Awards: The Company may cancel an award/assignment of a crew position in reverse seniority order provided it does so at least 30 days prior to the pilot's scheduled training date.
It would appear, then, that the ITU training that begins up to 30 days after this Vacancy Posting closes will continue as scheduled. The twist I see is the class that starts more than 30 days later. If the Company decides to cancel those awards, there could be a string of Passover Pay triggers.
Now, who has
that LOA handy?
