I've been reminded how much Logbook Pro completely sucks, Alternatives please.

[OverTorque]

by using the mac/iphone software, isnt that assuming you will always have an iphone or Mac for the rest of your flying career? sure would suck to have to start all over again because one day you have to change software programs... but a paper book lasts forever... unless you lose it... or it gets stolen... better make copies every time you fill a page!

I thought of this because I always have used Microsoft Money for my accounts until now they have discontinued it and I'm having to learn Quicken... which sucks... cause I don't know how to use it.

Back on the subject, I'm still doing the computer logs in addition to the paper book and I have a Mac and iPhone so my question is... does the logten program keep all the information on the airplanes separate from the flight log so you don't have to fill a "turbine" or a "complex" or "multi" or whatever column and then it can tell you how much PIC high performance multiengine night cross country time you had in 1842 with out having to create an actual "PIC HP ME night XC" column (i just made that up).... if anyone knows this feature about logbook pro I am talking about, could they let me know if LogtenPro has the same or similar functionality?

Basically... Logbook Pro seams good at pulling out info to answer those "how much blah blah blah time do you have" questions that you seem to have not kept a column for in your logbook. Does LogtenPro do as good a job?

thanks

Remember that BOTH Logbook Pro and LogtenPro will export all their data to excel formats, tab del. formats or even simple .txt formats, so even if both companies go out of business and/or you completely change programs, you will be able to import your data into pretty much ANY new program that comes up. At the very least, it will import into Excel, which will probably be around for a very long time. Also, both of these programs have excellent back-up and printing options that make handwritten paper logbooks unnecessary. In fact, I keep a printed copy in a safe, and I email a backup copy to myself so if my house burns down AND my computer is destroyed or stolen, my data is still safe on my email server.

To your other question, LogTen pro actually takes it's Aircraft data from online databases(i.e. it knows that a CRJ2 is a turbine aircraft, and will always log it as such.) As a user of both programs, I can safely say that LogTen Pro does whatever Logbook Pro does just as well, if not better.

 

[polarpop]

Another vote for Logbook Pro sucking a s s..

I switched to Logten.

When I exported from LogbookPro to a csv and imported into LogTen, my total time went down 14 hours (8300+ tt). I then opened the csv in Excel for the mac and Excel for the PC. The totals in both Excels and LogTen matched... All my times over the years were imported in hours.decimals to one decimal place... How can LogbookPro not add #.# correctly?

 

[d328pilot]

I'm another one who said bye bye to Logbook Pro for LogTen. Much much happier with Log Ten.

 

[Time Served]

Threadjack here but it seems like a good place to ask this. I am in the process of converting from LB pro to logten. Using LB pro i just loged a days worth of flying on each line with the total flying for the day and the city pairs. I would like to continue this but logten wants to log each leg. Does anybody know how to do this?

 

[J.Otto]

Excel spreadsheet

this is what I did some moons ago. Not as polished as a commerically available product, but if you are decent with formulas, it works okay. Obivously none of the extras, but it suffices.

Geez, its hel entering all that data. problem is, I wouldnt trust anyone else to do the data entry accurately for a few bucks.

 

[polarpop]

Threadjack here but it seems like a good place to ask this. I am in the process of converting from LB pro to logten. Using LB pro i just loged a days worth of flying on each line with the total flying for the day and the city pairs. I would like to continue this but logten wants to log each leg. Does anybody know how to do this?

use the city pairs as the Route. use starting departure as the From, use the last arrival as the To.

Example: From: MSO, To: ORD, Route: DEN,YYC,DEN,CLE
(which translates to MSO-DEN-YYC-DEN-CLE-ORD for one entry/date)

 

[FlyBigE]

I have nothing but good things to say about Logbook Pro, been a user for a few years and love it.

Same thing here Mach Tuck. I have been using them for over a decade and love the program. No complaints here....Plus they don't hit you for fees every couple of years to keep access to your data...

I tried dealing with them when I bought their software. There was an issue with their software and instead of helping me they said that I could buy another software package from them. They stood by their stance of no refunds - they mean it. Logbook Pro sucks.

There's has to me more to that story...Do tell...

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Nope, nothing more to it. Had a problem with their software, told them I wanted them to send me a new disk and they said that I would have to purchase a new one. I told them I wanted a refund then and they said nope - they have a no refund policy. Imagine a company that has a no refund policy. Do not buy from this crook.

 

[FlyBigE]

Nope, nothing more to it. Had a problem with their software, told them I wanted them to send me a new disk and they said that I would have to purchase a new one. I told them I wanted a refund then and they said nope - they have a no refund policy. Imagine a company that has a no refund policy. Do not buy from this crook.

What disc? All their software can be downloaded right from their website for FREE.

BTW most software companies have the same policy including Microsoft and Apple.

 

[Hamburger]

Getting discs in the mail!? Wow.

PEBKAC.

Just configure the Autofill and Time input/display settings.

 

[Wankel7]

Let me make sure I understand this.

You imported data. The template was applied incorrectly.

You had to change it all back?

My question is why didn't you back up your logbook before the import?

 

[FishandFly]

I have always had a backup, so yes I could have restored from the backup. That was not necessary though as I just deleted all the entries in bulk that were screwed up while I tried it a few times to figure out what the problem was. The problem is that Logbook pro would not import the data correctly.

Here's the jist..

Logbookamateur has a formatting error that is not customizable concerning the consistency between two different data fields. Total Duration and PIC. Import converts total duration values into hundredths i.e. 1.07, even though you only see 1.1 when looking at the field. Their is an auto transfer of data that occurs when you double click on the PIC field, and other fields which assumes you want to apply the Duration data to the field you are clicking on. The problem is that when you do this, even though the duration field still exists in hundredths (.00) it only transfers to the new field as tenths (.0). It does this via rounding, and in the case of total duration being 1.07, you click on the pic field and it transfers it as 1.1. Then genius logbook pro pops us an error that PIC can not be larger (1.1) than duration (1.07)

Why in the world would you have to do this to 250 new entries? Because logbookamateur, which is fully updated and on a pc that is flawless, fails to properly apply the duration number to the pic field even though it is told to do so in settings.

I think logbook pro has been designed by microsoft. They forgot to make their product work while going on to things that are fancy and unnecessary.

 

[CA1900]

I think logbook pro has been designed by microsoft...

I think it was written in Access, which explains a lot of its shortcomings. It also explains why he's not able to port it to any other operating systems.

 

[Max Powers]

Keeping a log book????? WHY? Ain't no jobs out there.

 

[Booker]

Keeping a log book????? WHY? Ain't no jobs out there.

There's a pilot shortage coming. Believe it. :laugh:

 

[cfi_greg]

LogTen, yea its a mac program. But the next question would be why don't you have a mac?

 

[FlyBigE]

keeping a log book????? Why? Ain't no jobs out there.

lmao

there's a pilot shortage coming. Believe it. :laugh:

lmao

 

[Daytonaflyer]

I can't believe nobody has mentioned Safelog. It's more complete than Logbook Pro, easier to use, better looking, and has more options. I've been using it as my only logbook since 2004. It does have an Iphone version too.

 

[FlyBigE]

I can't believe nobody has mentioned Safelog. It's more complete than Logbook Pro, easier to use, better looking, and has more options. I've been using it as my only logbook since 2004. It does have an Iphone version too.

I've tried it and wasn't too impressed with it. Plus I think Safelog locks you out of your data once your license expires...

 

[rogerwilcoout]

What disc? All their software can be downloaded right from their website for FREE.

BTW most software companies have the same policy including Microsoft and Apple.

no internet where I am.