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Lay off the Kool-Aid enemas. :laugh:
Just getting my jabbs in from last time you stuck that one on me!!:nuts:


Nothing has been announced yet. Stay tuned!
 
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What is this a VLJ service? or expressjet going independent.
 
This will be our own branded flying, but we are not going independent, it’s called being diversified. We will still be flying charter and for CO.
 
Superpilot92 said:
Solid "Rumors" Suggest Yes. 2 of those cities;)
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By solid you mean, you've heard this rumor from the ramp supervisor, the mx guy at the outstation and another guy who heard from a guy that heard from the training department. Right?

All joking aside, I hope it works out for you guys.
 
I'll bet you have to create a separate list for guys doing this flying - CO isn't in the business of giving away free bennies to offline pilots, especially if they are doing charter work. Watch out CO is watching.

On a separate note, I've got a few friends over there and hope this works out for you guys.
 
The web site needs a lot of work. For starters, all I see under the city pop-ups are three unlabeled select-a-number pop-up menus. I have no idea what they indicate. If it'll only work in MSIE, you're losing out on a lot of potential ticket sales.

Here's what it looks like to me using Firefox: Screenshot
 
flyers32 said:
This will be our own branded flying, but we are not going independent, it’s called being diversified. We will still be flying charter and for CO.
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That's great! You should call your branded flying "Independence Air." Those RJs with no code share are money makers!
 
TAWS said:
I'll bet you have to create a separate list for guys doing this flying - CO isn't in the business of giving away free bennies to offline pilots, especially if they are doing charter work. Watch out CO is watching.

On a separate note, I've got a few friends over there and hope this works out for you guys.
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You gotta be kidding me. Did reverend Bedford get you real excited about the up-coming benefits you guys can get on CO? CO probably makes money off the crappy bennies they give express. 100 bucks round trip for buddy passes? 20 bucks each way for a personal pass? Double or triple those numbers for international. They can go ahead and take them if they really want I guess.

That's great! You should call your branded flying "Independence Air." Those RJs with no code share are money makers!
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derrrrr. You can thank RAH and the other bottom feeders for convincing CAL to diversify their feed. They even tried pawning these planes off internationally and couldn't get rid of them. What choice is there other than parking them or deliver them straight into the hands of you competitor? Flying them at a loss sounds better than either one of those options, as long as you still have revenue coming from other areas.

How many 737 operators have failed in the past? OH VANGUARD TANKED! VANGUARD TANKED! HOOTERS AIR FAILED, HOOTERS AIR FAILED! A 737 operator can never succed, haha, I'm brilliant! Where's my PHD in airline managment?
 
TAWS said:
I'll bet you have to create a separate list for guys doing this flying - CO isn't in the business of giving away free bennies to offline pilots, especially if they are doing charter work. Watch out CO is watching.

On a separate note, I've got a few friends over there and hope this works out for you guys.
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They have already said no different list for this. Its all 1 list and for the Charter pilots they hold a standing bid on the airline 121 side so they still have flight bennies. not that they are worth much anymore.
 
CA1900 said:
The web site needs a lot of work. For starters, all I see under the city pop-ups are three unlabeled select-a-number pop-up menus. I have no idea what they indicate. If it'll only work in MSIE, you're losing out on a lot of potential ticket sales.

Here's what it looks like to me using Firefox: Screenshot
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Yeah the site is still in the development stage. they should get the kinks worked out by the time its in full steam.
 
Superpilot92 said:
Yeah the site is still in the development stage. they should get the kinks worked out by the time its in full steam.
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Ah, gotcha. The thread title of "It's official," along with the open-to-the-public website, makes it sound like it's actually ready for launch. We'll be watchin'!
 
CA1900 said:
Ah, gotcha. The thread title of "It's official," along with the open-to-the-public website, makes it sound like it's actually ready for launch. We'll be watchin'!
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Yeah its not OFFICIAL yet, but its coming. The should start some press releases soon.
 
Hey Alchemy,

I'm not cheering on Bedford, but this one (unfortunately) has Independence Air written all over it. We have plenty of problems to go around over here, believe me, but "convincing CO to diversify their feed" is a gem!! You should drop the "I'm angry at RAH" routine - it gets sooooooooooo tiresome!

Bedford must have been pretty convincing if he won that one over SkyWest!

Let's look at how letting these planes go to RAH would've worked out:

What you would have lost = growth with CO
What you gained = losses on aircraft lease payments (inflated) to CO / Bigger egos (inflated) for your mngt team / Now competing with every 135/frac operator out there (I know who'll win that one).
What you would have gained by letting the aircraft go = no losses on over-priced lease payments, opportunity to setup for larger aircraft and go independent properly, at a later date.
What the industry has gained = RAH now has another type and will not stop at CO. They will go after every RFP out there that requires the CRJ.

I hope this works out for XJT folks, as it may signal to the majors that the whipsaw days are coming to a close - there are better options out there!

Good Luck XJT!!
 
TAWS said:
Hey Alchemy,

I'm not cheering on Bedford, but this one (unfortunately) has Independence Air written all over it. We have plenty of problems to go around over here, believe me, but "convincing CO to diversify their feed" is a gem!! You should drop the "I'm angry at RAH" routine - it gets sooooooooooo tiresome!

Bedford must have been pretty convincing if he won that one over SkyWest!

Let's look at how letting these planes go to RAH would've worked out:

What you would have lost = growth with CO
What you gained = losses on aircraft lease payments (inflated) to CO / Bigger egos (inflated) for your mngt team / Now competing with every 135/frac operator out there (I know who'll win that one).
What you would have gained by letting the aircraft go = no losses on over-priced lease payments, opportunity to setup for larger aircraft and go independent properly, at a later date.
What the industry has gained = RAH now has another type and will not stop at CO. They will go after every RFP out there that requires the CRJ.

I hope this works out for XJT folks, as it may signal to the majors that the whipsaw days are coming to a close - there are better options out there!

Good Luck XJT!!
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Doesnt have FLYI written on it? Totally different plan of action. Also the charter ops are already booked up for months in advace. No pop up trips-they are scheduled runs. Pilots are bidding lines with actual trips. Right now its not competeing with every 135 operator. Honestly we dont know how it will pan out, hopefully it leads into bigger and better things. We will see. But its nothing like FLYI did. Thats not that hard to see. The only thing in common there is they tried it without being another carriers bitch. Your right if it works then hopefully it will stop the whipsawing or at least get our company out of the whorefest
 
It seems a lot of RAH folks are pretty upset at us using the 69 planes. I get the feeling they don't want us to succeed, don't be mad at us for keeping our airplanes just wish us luck.
 
TAWS said:
Hey Alchemy,

I'm not cheering on Bedford, but this one (unfortunately) has Independence Air written all over it. We have plenty of problems to go around over here, believe me, but "convincing CO to diversify their feed" is a gem!! You should drop the "I'm angry at RAH" routine - it gets sooooooooooo tiresome!

Bedford must have been pretty convincing if he won that one over SkyWest!

Let's look at how letting these planes go to RAH would've worked out:

What you would have lost = growth with CO
What you gained = losses on aircraft lease payments (inflated) to CO / Bigger egos (inflated) for your mngt team / Now competing with every 135/frac operator out there (I know who'll win that one).
What you would have gained by letting the aircraft go = no losses on over-priced lease payments, opportunity to setup for larger aircraft and go independent properly, at a later date.
What the industry has gained = RAH now has another type and will not stop at CO. They will go after every RFP out there that requires the CRJ.

I hope this works out for XJT folks, as it may signal to the majors that the whipsaw days are coming to a close - there are better options out there!

Good Luck XJT!!
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First off, CAL already had first hand experience with Skywest, and they terminated that agreement. They must not have liked what they saw, or maybe they were just too expensive, who knows. As far as determing wether or not keeping these planes was the right decision: only time will tell....but if it hurts RAH in the short term by making them bring a bunch of crapped out, weight restricted canadairs back from the desert, then that could only be good.

I'm sure reverend Bedford was holding weekly prayer sessions, asking for divine intervention so he could get his grubby hands on the 69, but I guess he molested one too many kids at church camp this year......oh well......
 
The only real important question here is are they gonna take CASS jumpseaters on these new routes? :erm:
 
Did the fact that 15 of the 19 mentioned cities being SWA destinations jump out at anyone else ? Not that it's the be-all, end-all to have to compete with Southwest. It just seems that RJ point-to-point is tough.
 
BrkDkPlt said:
It seems a lot of RAH folks are pretty upset at us using the 69 planes. I get the feeling they don't want us to succeed, don't be mad at us for keeping our airplanes just wish us luck.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA .......... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You might be surprised to learn that alot of people over here could care less, infact I wouldn't be surprised to learn that alot of the guys going to the CRJ have prior experience on it.
We wish you guys well, as a success by you lot could bring the whipsaw game to a close! There has been zero talk on any flightdeck, that I've been on, about XJT and their flying. Nobody is that excited about being based in CRP, I guess - who would've thought?????
 
Alchemy said:
First off, CAL already had first hand experience with Skywest, and they terminated that agreement. They must not have liked what they saw, or maybe they were just too expensive, who knows. As far as determing wether or not keeping these planes was the right decision: only time will tell....but if it hurts RAH in the short term by making them bring a bunch of crapped out, weight restricted canadairs back from the desert, then that could only be good.

I'm sure reverend Bedford was holding weekly prayer sessions, asking for divine intervention so he could get his grubby hands on the 69, but I guess he molested one too many kids at church camp this year......oh well......
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That's hillarious.. good work Alchemey
 
Insanity: Trying the same experiment twice and expecting different results.

I want to be first to bid on the cool ExpressJet maintenance pickup trucks with the paint scheme at the bankruptcy auction.

Just kidding....sorry I couldn't resist.
 
vectorvictor said:
Insanity: Trying the same experiment twice and expecting different results.

I want to be first to bid on the cool ExpressJet maintenance pickup trucks with the paint scheme at the bankruptcy auction.

Just kidding....sorry I couldn't resist.
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Very original! You do realize of course that we have 205 aircraft flying a very profitable contract with CAL? Now I'm new to all this but if I remember correctly Indy had 0 aircraft flying Fee for Departure when they went live on their own.
 

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