It's like AT ALPA is trying to burn their undeserved lottery ticket...

[Fubijaakr]

Otherwise, no, I don't mind that they are making a windfall increase in salary and benefits....As for stapling 650 guys, I'm sorry, but that is not unreasonable, not with the increase in career earnings they will see.

Okay, you SWA f/os win. I give up. You have swallowed the "pay as windfall" herring hook, line and sinker.

As indicated by your own words, you are so incredibly egotistcal and greedy that you are willing to steal the rightful seniority of 650 of your coworkers in order to personally advance professionally.

And, its obvious, regardless of what you SAY, you don't give a fig about your vaunted SWA "culture". Apparently your idea of "culture" is I GOT MINE.

Whatever.

You're the ones who are going to have to deal with 1500 p.o.ed pilots the rest of your career. You're the ones who will have poisoned the flight deck atmosphere and made SWA a less safe airline.

Hope you're happy.

 

[Lear70]

GhettoBeechJet gave you 50% on this, but I can't be that generous. He already mentioned the cessation of upgrades for both sides, so that answers your #1.

They won't cease for 9 years straight. They will continue for your F/O's. Including the upgrades for our retirements and voluntary downgrades. Your pilots are getting something our pilots are not over the next decade.

As for #2, SWA got the 1.25 for flying with a junior captain. In return, and specifically for the reason that we got the 1.25, ALPA demanded "me-too", and received from SWA mgmt $500k, which they decided to disperse as increased longevity pay for your senior FO's.

I consider myself a senior F/O'. I didn't get jack of that. I'm simply pointing out to you that, again, your pilots got something many of ours won't get.

We got nothing that you didn't get. The same cannot be said in reverse.

You have your perception. We have ours.

 

[737tanker]

SWA got the 1.25 for flying with a junior captain

Only if the flying was on the F/Os original line. If the F/O got the trip from Give Away or Open time then he gets nothing. Also the 1.25 applies only to the leg, not to any rigs! The AirTran F/Os, who were deemed on the CUSP of upgrade, get the 2 year longevity increase for all of their flying.

 

[Lear70]

Only if the flying was on the F/Os original line. If the F/O got the trip from Give Away or Open time then he gets nothing. Also the 1.25 applies only to the leg, not to any rigs! The AirTran F/Os, who were deemed on the CUSP of upgrade, get the 2 year longevity increase for all of their flying.

It's a graduated scale, based on WHEN you were scheduled to upgrade in the existing aircraft delivery schedule, by estimated class size and date as near as I can figure.

There are people who get the full 2 years, all the way down to getting their normal longevity increase only a month in advance and it only covers about 18 months worth of upgrades. Everyone below that doesn't get anything.

 

[737tanker]

Lear
While the bump in longevity may not be a full 2 years there is a bump in longevity for the senior AirTran F/Os. For the senior SWA F/Os they only get the "bypass" pay IF they are on their original line AND IF they are flying with a former AirTran Capt who is junior to them. For the AirTran F/Os it is a sure thing, for the SWA F/O it is a roll of the dice!

 

[dicko]

Only if the flying was on the F/Os original line. If the F/O got the trip from Give Away or Open time then he gets nothing. Also the 1.25 applies only to the leg, not to any rigs! The AirTran F/Os, who were deemed on the CUSP of upgrade, get the 2 year longevity increase for all of their flying.

I don't believe that SWA FO's will see much of that 1.25 bump. Maybe none of it.

Here's why; Those junior AirTran CA's that provide the 1.25 will all be on reserve or in ATL. You will not be assigned a reserve line with these guys and girls. The only AirTran CA's that will be assigned lines will be the senior ones that don't bring the 1.25.

It's actually quite clever. It's imaginary money

 

[redflyer65]

Dicko,

Your exactly right. Gary could have made it 5X TFP and he wouldn't have had to pay it out. Just one more reason some are pissed.

RF

 

[Flycatcher99]

I consider myself a senior F/O'. I didn't get jack of that. I'm simply pointing out to you that, again, your pilots got something many of ours won't get.

Are you not one of the 175 FO's that got this?

If not, then no offense, but I wouldn't consider you a senior FO. Evidently, neither did your NC. They were the ones that decided what to do with the half million that GK gave you all.

But my point remains. You quoted our 1.25 pay as something we got that was not reciprocated to AT. This is empirically not true, as your guys received exact restitution for the amount SWAPA got. Just maybe not dispersed the way you wanted it.

 

[Flycatcher99]

I don't believe that SWA FO's will see much of that 1.25 bump. Maybe none of it.

Here's why; Those junior AirTran CA's that provide the 1.25 will all be on reserve or in ATL. You will not be assigned a reserve line with these guys and girls. The only AirTran CA's that will be assigned lines will be the senior ones that don't bring the 1.25.

It's actually quite clever. It's imaginary money

Actually, I (and many others here) agree with you on this. Besides the reason you mention, there were caveats that we will not see this for trips that are acquired through ELITT, TTGA, open time, etc. Unless a person actually bids and receives a line with a junior AT captain, they will likely never see it.

Which is why many here are questioning the math. It doesn't appear at first sight to add up to 2 million.

 

[Flycatcher99]

Okay, you SWA f/os win. I give up. You have swallowed the "pay as windfall" herring hook, line and sinker.

You know what, you're right. I can't believe that I thought that a lot of money could possibly be a windfall.

I'm so stupid.