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They say "we just won't play the whipsaw game" but ALPA doesn't play that game, they get played. If you decide to sit out of the game, you lose by default. Its time to change the rules and play our game.

I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately ALPA National doesn't have any better games to play.

I'm not optimistic.

I don't think many Comair pilots are. Skywest, Mesa, and CHQ pilots are all salivating at the potential of getting new aircraft.

Management is winning this game and ALPA National has no more "plays" in their book. Not looking good.

-CF
 
Cheap,

You make a great point. This was a huge win... just not for ALPA. That leaves only management, specifically Mesa, Skywest, and CHQ.

Oh well, at least somebody's a winner. Perhaps next time we could try to make it the pilots rather than the lowest paying managers.
 
ALPA told its pilots it had a $14 million offer. It does not. It made a $9 million offer. This isn't opinion, it is written clearly in ALPA's first negotiation comparison email. They included $5 million in previous concessions, and then repeatedly told the pilots they were offering a full $14 million. What about that is honest?


I'm looking at a document entitled ALPA - Company Comparison Chart. The very first item is in the Economic section. The ALPA position says "Forego 4.5% wage snapback provision in February 2005 LOA, ALPA to receive full credit for lost wage increase". The company position says "Forego 4.5% wage snapback provision in February 2005 LOA, ALPA not credited for any lost wage increase". This document was widely distributed via email, and ALPA Family awareness meetings. It is the only document from either side that actually breaks down the differences between the company position and ALPAs, so that Joe Pilot can see how each proposal would affect him. It's straight forward and easy to read, and if you haven't seen it you haven't been looking. I'll say it again, because it seems to be the basis of your argument, THE VERY FIRST ITEM ADDRESSED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW THE CONCESSIONS ARE CALCULATED. Again I'll ask, who is being dishonost?
 
What is the union advertising their concessions to be?

What are they actually?

There you go. Somebody has to make it look like we weren't just bought out by national for $2 million.
 
Gentlemen you waste your time by arguing about who gave what and who asked for what. That is really not the problem.

Delta has the power to do what it wants. If Delta wants to keep Comair it is very easy for Delta to guarantee that Comair will get X amount of flying in exchange for Y amount of concessions; then present it to the BK court for approval. They have NOT done that and according to our MEC they have indicated they have no intention of doing that..

That means that no matter what the pilots give Delta today, whether its 10 million or 20 million, the very next day they can still (and probably will) award the RFP to some other airline and not to Comair. That means we eat a big pay cut for naught.

It's not the dollars that are causing the breakdown. It is the demand by Delta that the Comair employees give their all to Delta, and Delta gives the employees zero, nothing, in return.

What exactly do CMR pilots have to gain if we give Delta the concessions that they demand? The answer is nothing!! There is no guarantee whatever that CMR will exist tomorrow if we make concessions.

What they are asking us to do is give up a major portion of our compensation while we wait for them to put us out of business. They want us to buy our own liquidation. That would be stupid.

If they want concessions all they have to do is cut a deal that awards the RFP to CMR in exchange for the concession. Don't promise it, their promises are already proven to be false. Put it in writing and get the BK Court to sign off on it.

No promise, whether written or not, is valid until AFTER it is approved by the court. CMR employees should make no agreement unless it is contingent upon award of the RFP and approval by the court.

If they won't do that then they really have no interest in keeping CMR and they should get NO DEAL. It's as simple as that.

Delta knows exactly what we would have to do to "win" this so-called bid. When they guarantee its award, we can then decide to take it or leave it, contingent on the court’s approval.

If we give them our money in exchange for promises they will do exactly what they did before - break the promises and take our money and run. WE will be left up the creek without the paddle and they will be laughing and toasting with champagne.

If Comair people have to live with the prospect of having their operations farmed out to others regardless of what we give, then there is no reason to even consider concessions, let alone give them.

This is no game. They are not bluffing; we should not be bluffing either. If they want our money then give us long-term job security. Otherwise - Game over.
 

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