It has almost been 5 months.

[Whydoitry]

How does the Canadian system work and how would it work here?

 

[JoeMerchant]

What bilateral agreement does ASA/SKW have?

In any 12 month period, if 5 or more aircraft are transferred in either direction....the company has to take the pilots with the aircraft.....It works in both directions....

 

[Bako Cap]

No kidding, thanks guys. Now if we just merged the seniority lists, then this would be a moot point.

 

[JoeMerchant]

No kidding, thanks guys. Now if we just merged the seniority lists, then this would be a moot point.

That should be priority number 1......

 

[bmpilot2003]

Wow, you really made nothing out of nothing here. On flightinfo, there is a lot of speculation. Don't see anything different with these posts. Go choke on your popcorn.

Speculation? The southwest rumor was talked about as though it was FACT. From Sim instuctors to Fo's who thought they would upgrade in 6 months. You and SkyNADS are the only one choking on popcorn now!

 

[Nevets]

How does the Canadian system work and how would it work here?

The idea is to mitigate pilot recycling (pilots having to start of the bottom of another seniority list). If aircraft are transfered, the pilots go with the aircraft as well with their seniority. The Canadians take it a bit further if I understand it correctly. They are all allowed to bid on any vacancy across companies. The pilots at their respective airline have dibs but if not enough bid the vacancies, the pilots of the other airline can be awarded that vacancy. They come over with their seniority.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

That should be priority number 1......

Yet you have no idea how to make it so.... the question is, despite your lack of ability do you hold ALPA accountable for not doing what you can't do?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yet you have no idea how to make it so.... the question is, despite your lack of ability do you hold ALPA accountable for not doing what you can't do?

Everything is negotiatable....including a single list at Skywest Inc......It will cost in other areas, but long term it will pay off IMO....Depends if we are going to look long term or short term.....Up until now, we pilots have tended to look short term.....maybe people are starting to realize that isn't working...

The cross-bidding scenario's that Nevets are describing are the way to get this ball rolling....This idea was first floated by Dan Ford at the 1995 ALPA Scope Committee.....

Better late than never.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

The idea is to mitigate pilot recycling (pilots having to start of the bottom of another seniority list). If aircraft are transfered, the pilots go with the aircraft as well with their seniority. The Canadians take it a bit further if I understand it correctly. They are all allowed to bid on any vacancy across companies. The pilots at their respective airline have dibs but if not enough bid the vacancies, the pilots of the other airline can be awarded that vacancy. They come over with their seniority.

This is exactly what we need to do.....Now will we actually do it....That is the question....

Cross-bidding proposals were first floated at the 1995 ALPA Scope Committee by Dan Ford....13 years ago now.....Hopefully we have learned from our mistakes and are moving forward.....

 

[Nevets]

This is exactly what we need to do.....Now will we actually do it....That is the question....

Cross-bidding proposals were first floated at the 1995 ALPA Scope Committee by Dan Ford....13 years ago now.....Hopefully we have learned from our mistakes and are moving forward.....

Cross-bidding is one step farther than what is being attempted now. Right now, the plan is to bring pilots with their seniority when aircraft are transferred across corporate lines. Its a baby step but at least its a start in the right direction.

There is already plans for a possible bilateral agreement going on right now. So I know ALPA is trying to do it.

 

[PCL_128]

Cross-bidding proposals were first floated at the 1995 ALPA Scope Committee by Dan Ford....13 years ago now...

Too bad Dan is a union terrorist instead of a smart politician. If he had a little more political acumen and a little less ego, maybe he could have gotten something done. Learn from his failures.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Too bad Dan is a union terrorist instead of a smart politician. If he had a little more political acumen and a little less ego, maybe he could have gotten something done. Learn from his failures.

....too bad ALPA is run by politicians....politicians rarely accomplish anything other than getting re-elected....If we had fewer politicians and more leaders we could accomplish something.....Learn from the ALPA politicians failures.....

 

[PCL_128]

Politics is merely a process, Joe. A process that you don't understand and are incapable of constructively participating in, much like your buddy Dan. The political process is exactly how things get accomplished. As was proven by your abject failure in your silly little lawsuit, union terrorism is the thing that rarely accomplishes anything, not politics.