It has almost been 5 months.

[PCL_128]

I would like to know that too...What about Wychor and Tennen?

I don't know about Tennen, but Captain Wychor has been working for National for quite a while. He's mostly dealing with organizing drives, but does other work also.

 

[Nevets]

Wow....You mean Prater and Rice were there....Well that makes all the difference in the world....

The agends looks very similar to one I attendend some 6 years ago in Herndon....I still have the nice fancy binder on the bookshelf....

More of the same.....

https://crewroom.alpa.org/asa/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=42333

I'm just saying that it wasn't just regional guys that are behind this. Those were just of the most prominent major guys that were there. Someone said that ALPA just looks out for the majors.

We are talking about having a system similar if not the same to the Canadian guys. That has not been done before (in the same fashion) at US regionals - horizontal pilot migration with seniority.

 

[theo]

So the idea is to pump up the negotiating airlines to get the best contract you can...whats new here? Horizontal pilot migration? Yeah right...pilots will never agree on "fair ways to integrate seniority lists" just look at DL and NW or US Airways. This is just a pipe dream to keep regional pilots fired up to fight the good fight against management. Nothing more will come of this. Propaganda at its most optimistic!!

 

[Nevets]

So the idea is to pump up the negotiating airlines to get the best contract you can...whats new here? Horizontal pilot migration? Yeah right...pilots will never agree on "fair ways to integrate seniority lists" just look at DL and NW or US Airways. This is just a pipe dream to keep regional pilots fired up to fight the good fight against management. Nothing more will come of this. Propaganda at its most optimistic!!

This is not something that has never been done. Its not a "pipe dream." This is something that has already been done by the Canadian regionals and a couple of bilateral agreements (PCL/MSA & ASA/SKW). There is already another possible bilateral agreement in the works. Just because it wont be easy, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

 

[Bako Cap]

What bilateral agreement does ASA/SKW have?

 

[Whydoitry]

How does the Canadian system work and how would it work here?

 

[JoeMerchant]

What bilateral agreement does ASA/SKW have?

In any 12 month period, if 5 or more aircraft are transferred in either direction....the company has to take the pilots with the aircraft.....It works in both directions....

 

[Bako Cap]

No kidding, thanks guys. Now if we just merged the seniority lists, then this would be a moot point.

 

[JoeMerchant]

No kidding, thanks guys. Now if we just merged the seniority lists, then this would be a moot point.

That should be priority number 1......

 

[bmpilot2003]

Wow, you really made nothing out of nothing here. On flightinfo, there is a lot of speculation. Don't see anything different with these posts. Go choke on your popcorn.

Speculation? The southwest rumor was talked about as though it was FACT. From Sim instuctors to Fo's who thought they would upgrade in 6 months. You and SkyNADS are the only one choking on popcorn now!

 

[Nevets]

How does the Canadian system work and how would it work here?

The idea is to mitigate pilot recycling (pilots having to start of the bottom of another seniority list). If aircraft are transfered, the pilots go with the aircraft as well with their seniority. The Canadians take it a bit further if I understand it correctly. They are all allowed to bid on any vacancy across companies. The pilots at their respective airline have dibs but if not enough bid the vacancies, the pilots of the other airline can be awarded that vacancy. They come over with their seniority.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

That should be priority number 1......

Yet you have no idea how to make it so.... the question is, despite your lack of ability do you hold ALPA accountable for not doing what you can't do?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yet you have no idea how to make it so.... the question is, despite your lack of ability do you hold ALPA accountable for not doing what you can't do?

Everything is negotiatable....including a single list at Skywest Inc......It will cost in other areas, but long term it will pay off IMO....Depends if we are going to look long term or short term.....Up until now, we pilots have tended to look short term.....maybe people are starting to realize that isn't working...

The cross-bidding scenario's that Nevets are describing are the way to get this ball rolling....This idea was first floated by Dan Ford at the 1995 ALPA Scope Committee.....

Better late than never.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

The idea is to mitigate pilot recycling (pilots having to start of the bottom of another seniority list). If aircraft are transfered, the pilots go with the aircraft as well with their seniority. The Canadians take it a bit further if I understand it correctly. They are all allowed to bid on any vacancy across companies. The pilots at their respective airline have dibs but if not enough bid the vacancies, the pilots of the other airline can be awarded that vacancy. They come over with their seniority.

This is exactly what we need to do.....Now will we actually do it....That is the question....

Cross-bidding proposals were first floated at the 1995 ALPA Scope Committee by Dan Ford....13 years ago now.....Hopefully we have learned from our mistakes and are moving forward.....

 

[Nevets]

This is exactly what we need to do.....Now will we actually do it....That is the question....

Cross-bidding proposals were first floated at the 1995 ALPA Scope Committee by Dan Ford....13 years ago now.....Hopefully we have learned from our mistakes and are moving forward.....

Cross-bidding is one step farther than what is being attempted now. Right now, the plan is to bring pilots with their seniority when aircraft are transferred across corporate lines. Its a baby step but at least its a start in the right direction.

There is already plans for a possible bilateral agreement going on right now. So I know ALPA is trying to do it.