Israel to Egypt???

[ILOVEBEER]

Is this OK/prudent? Do the Egyptians hate the Israelis as much as the rest of the world?

Thanks

 

[propsarebest]

We fly to TLV all the time and always have CAI as an alternate. I think they are OK with each other, at least when it comes to overflight stuff.

 

[ILOVEBEER]

We're not doing an overflight. We are flying from Eilat to Cairo.

 

[ProFracPilot]

We're not doing an overflight. We are flying from Eilat to Cairo.

Are you using a handler? (UV? Air Routing?) They'll have the answer.

 

[ILOVEBEER]

They said it was OK but they have been wrong before. I just wanted some input from anyone who has done this before.

Thanks

 

[X-Wind]

I flew for the Saudi's and we always went around Israeli airspace. Normally there is no problem, however, I would check with your passengers to see if they have any personal preference. The Airspace is so small that going around it is no big diversion.

If you haven't flown out there before, I suggest you brief yourself on the Turkish, Cypriot airspace bulletin...
Make sure your overflights permits are valid with permit numbers.
Have Fun...

Z Aviation in Cairo is not bad....Good Luck!

 

[Diesel]

Last time I was in telaviv there was cessna citation US registration flying to cairo. They told me they had no problems, but in the end they had issues getting a clearance, and getting flight plans filed.

I think was more due to the handling (or lack thereof trying to do it themselves) than the actual issue of going to cairo.

 

[propsarebest]

Last time I was in telaviv there was cessna citation US registration flying to cairo. They told me they had no problems, but in the end they had issues getting a clearance, and getting flight plans filed.

I think was more due to the handling (or lack thereof trying to do it themselves) than the actual issue of going to cairo.

That's a some good advice. We are in there 3-4 times a week and still have problems with ATC there. 50% of the time everything is OK. They want total control of your flight plan, so don't have the handler send your plan on to Eurocontrol. We always get a stern talking to. You don't want a stern conversation from those guys.

It all depends on who is working in the tower that day.

We use QAS and they are great. Make sure that they have a copy of the ICAO sheet all filled out.

Good luck.

 

[Swass]

You ought to ask Hank Hill what his thoughts are

 

[Tgaug6300]

Do NOT let the Israelis stamp your passport. If you do and you go to a Arab country you may incounter some delays.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Do NOT let the Israelis stamp your passport. If you do and you go to a Arab country you may incounter some delays.

They know this.

I have never had them want to stamp a passport. They stamp a slip of paper and its removed at departure.

Also pays to take 2 passports, just in case.

 

[AC560]

Also pays to take 2 passports, just in case.

That is a bad idea. I know a couple of people who have had issues because of that. Whatever you do though if you carry two passports (or more) and a Customs guy asks if you have multiple passports ensure you say yes.

I had a British co-worker (dual British/USA) taken away in cuffs at GRU a couple years ago when the Customs guy noticed his USA passport (he used his Brit passport as they don't need visas) popping out of his briefcase. He got sent out on the next flight back to the UK. Given he had lived in the US for 25yrs and maintained no UK residence he had to then hop a flight back to the US.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

That is a bad idea. I know a couple of people who have had issues because of that. Whatever you do though if you carry two passports (or more) and a Customs guy asks if you have multiple passports ensure you say yes.

I had a British co-worker (dual British/USA) taken away in cuffs at GRU a couple years ago when the Customs guy noticed his USA passport (he used his Brit passport as they don't need visas) popping out of his briefcase. He got sent out on the next flight back to the UK. Given he had lived in the US for 25yrs and maintained no UK residence he had to then hop a flight back to the US.

No, it can be a good idea....sometimes?

Leave #2 on the airplane so that you have a non Israeli stamped one in case you need it much later in the trip.

No need to carry 2 off the plane through customs.

An Israeli stamped passport is not something you want if you travel the Mideast often.

I have never had a customs guy ask if I had "multiple" passports. They may ask about dual citizenship (in your buddys case) but not multiple passports.

Anyhow, mute point...I dont think Israel will stamp your passport. They know the deal. They will ask you in detail about other mideast Visas etc...so its best to use your #2 "clean" passport with few stamps!

 

[mxflyer]

did it 3 months ago.....no problem

 

[ruhroa]

not done it but have been told by several that you don't want to go isreal to eqypt direct stop in a different country,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[ProFracPilot]

Also pays to take 2 passports, just in case.

That is a bad idea.

While there are exceptions to every rule, pilots flying abroad are wise to possess 2 passports - for several reasons. One reason is in the unfortunate event of one passport being lost and/or confiscated you have another. Another good reason is if you need to get a visa attached, you can still travel abroad while one passport is being processed. And of course you can be selective about which one you use. I use my secondary and hide my primary elsewhere in my bag. When I return to the US I am always queried by US Customs if I've "lost" a passport. That is their test to get me to fess up that I carry 2. They hand my passport back to me and send me on my way.