Island Air looking for suckers

[islandairDHC8]

haha this loser "ilikeairplanes" sent me a nasty PM. haha what a little kid. if you cant handle a public forum, dont show your a$$. next time learn the terms you are debating (pay for training) before you try to use them. you wont look like such an idiot next time.

and no you wont be making 120k at fedex, the dont hire whiney brats. with 4800 hours and still in a kingair.. something must be wrong with you, and it shows!



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um.... just a few days ago ilikeairplanes posted this:

"I have about 1700 TT, 900 multi, 750 turbine, ATP written only. I know some companies will hire below. I just figured I would ask."

Ilikeairplanes You are a REAL TOOL! if your 35 with only 1700 hours you will likely never see fedex unless the FAA gets rid of the AGE 60 RULE.

With only 1700 hours of flight time your odds of being picked up here are nil anyway!

"Be careful what you wish for! I wouldnt recommend this career to anyone. I love flying, but I wish I had a good paying, steady, 9-5 job with stablity. I live like a nomad and have pennies. Maybe someday I will have a nice 75k a year corporate job flying. But I will be 35 years old. Most of my friends are in their late 20's with nice houses, wifes, and cars."

take your own advice then, take a 9-5 job!

 

[Golden Falcon]

Thanks, sounds about right...just couldn't get past something so silly....I'm an expat so it is applicable in my arena, but in the States between Americans...how stupid can it get

 

[Whale Rider]

They just sent me another application package after I turned them down a year ago. Check out the deal they have for me.

1. Pay for my own airline ticket to the interview from the east coast $1000

2. If offered the job pay for my own airline ticket back to Hawaii. $1000

3. Pay for my own hotel during 3 weeks of ground school (cheap hole in hawaii 60$ a night) $1300

4. Being able to tell them to take this job and shove it........Priceless!:laugh:

 

[Freight Dog]

Ever think that the reason for that may be to weed out people who aren't serious about coming to Hawaii?

By showing up, you already tell them you're serious about the job. Show up in a suit and tie (no, don't show up in shorts and an Aloha shirt for the interview), know your stuff, show that you're not an idiot, and the job is yours.

I don't know how it is now, but when I came to WP in early 2001, I was a reserve FO for maybe 3-4 months, line FO for 5 months, upgraded in 1 year (post 9/11). If I stayed there, I think I would have been #8 captain right now.

Wanna know the best part? If you have family, kids, etc. guess what... you'll probably never miss a single event in your family life because there are no overnights. You'll fly either a morning shift and be done by early afternoon or fly a PM shift and be done by early evening. I don't think there is a mainland regional that can match WP's QOL.

Aspire to move on? Whenever Aloha or Hawaiian are hiring, the movement at WP picks up big time as both like WP pilots. Neither Aloha or Hawaiian care much about total time/turbine PIC as they care about internal recommendations as long as you meet their minimums. That's why it wasn't all too uncommon to see guys/gals get hired at either one with 2000-2500TT.

Bottom line... if you don't want to get yourself a ticket to Hawaii for an interview, that's your own prerogative. I was at WP from 2001 to 2003, and loved it. If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't have changed a thing.

 

[mdanno808]

What the hell are you talking about?

Funny how they're "natives" until it's time to get the passport....do they mean natives to be long time residents..or the shipwrecked Samoans who inhabited the chain many moons ago??? Gee I was born there in Tripler, does that make me a native??? Good grief, what a ridiculous load of bollocks!!

 

[Ilikeairplanes]

Im sure its a lot of fun flying there. Thats why I applied. But how can one afford the 3-4k for training? The point of having a job is to make money, not lose it. Do you think if I applied for a accounting position somewhere they would make me buy 2 airline tickets? Do you think they would make me pay for my own hotel during training? No, of course not. My point is that people are willing to do that, so it brings down the standards for the rest of us. We are professionals and deserved to be compensated for the skill we have earned. I dont understand how a single pilot on this board can disagree.

 

[RJP]

Im sure its a lot of fun flying there. Thats why I applied. But how can one afford the 3-4k for training? The point of having a job is to make money, not lose it. Do you think if I applied for a accounting position somewhere they would make me buy 2 airline tickets? Do you think they would make me pay for my own hotel during training? No, of course not. My point is that people are willing to do that, so it brings down the standards for the rest of us. We are professionals and deserved to be compensated for the skill we have earned. I dont understand how a single pilot on this board can disagree.

Again, you're missing the point. This is your BASE. You will not live in a hotel once you finish training at your BASE, therefore, you will have to find either a place to rent or a crashpad/car to sleep in while you're at your BASE.

You somehow think it's different than when Comair had the Brasilia and would take the newhires, throw them through training, down to FL to sit right seat for a couple of days/weeks then junior them back up to Cinci for CRJ training? Nope, they didn't pay for a hotel for the CRJ course either. You were junior manned so it was up to you to find a place to live. Besides, it was your BASE.

Since you're not bothering with the WP interview, why don't you go to another part of this forum and whine about something else. You have no credibility here anyway.

Aloha.

 

[BE90flyer]

6000+ plus hrs and still in a kingAir......

Am I a loser dash8Driver? I fly a kingair because I want to and I love doing it. So FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF Dash8loser

 

[dash8driver]

Im sure its a lot of fun flying there. Thats why I applied. But how can one afford the 3-4k for training? The point of having a job is to make money, not lose it. Do you think if I applied for a accounting position somewhere they would make me buy 2 airline tickets? Do you think they would make me pay for my own hotel during training? No, of course not. My point is that people are willing to do that, so it brings down the standards for the rest of us. We are professionals and deserved to be compensated for the skill we have earned. I dont understand how a single pilot on this board can disagree.

yea.. i can understand that paying to live in hawaii can be expensive...its not 3-4k for training.. the cost you're paying is to live here, you're not giving money to the company for your training. they also pay you from day one, which is more than what some other companys do.

yea.. if you interviewed for a normal 9-5 job you would have to pay your own way and your own hotel while you looked for a house in your new home town. the exceptions to this is if you're working for a very large company like IBM used to have really awesome programs like that. the other exception is if you're in a field thats highly desired and in short supply. neither of those cases apply here.

the point is, if you stop and think about it the free tickets you get from other carriers are within their own system. the free tickets they are giving are pretty much free for them as well. i doubt alaska is going to buy you a ticket on united to come to see them. i can also bet that there arent many companys that pay for your lodging IN DOMICILE. when you take a job at WP, HNL is your domicile... so from day one you're living in your DOMICILE. you're expected to find a place to live and live there. when WP sends you to sim in seattle they pay for your plane ticket and they pay for your hotel and give you perdiem because its out of your domicile. i dont know why you cant understand that.

its not just little companies that do this, its larger ones as well.. like i've pointed out earlier. i would expect a free ticket from a large company that can obviously afford it before expecting one from a small company that obviously cant.

its too bad that WP and fedex's lack of free tickets and hotel in domicle policy does not meet your expectations. i encourage you to keep looking and i'm sure you'll find something that makes you happy.




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[dash8driver]

Am I a loser dash8Driver? I fly a kingair because I want to and I love doing it. So FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF Dash8loser

haha.. no.. calm down, read the whole thread and try to understand the context and scope of this thread.

its great that you are doing what you love. from time to time i also miss flying the dash 8.. it was an awesome plane. my friends that have a lot of time in king airs really liked that plane as well.

let me buy you a cup of decaf....




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[RJP]

Am I a loser dash8Driver?

Apparently so.

read the whole thread and try to understand the context and scope of this thread..

Is there a 'scope clause' in your posts now?

 

[Sleepyhead]

just for the record...
I have worked at 6 different airlines. Not one paid for the hotel during intial training. All, including WP, will give you tickets on their own airplanes, but if you are coming from outside their system, you are on your own.
what gives you the idea that an airline should pay for your hotel during intial training? you are not really considered hired at most, until you pass your checkride. just consider the money you are talking about...
in 2000, UAL hired over 800 pilots. you have any idea what it would have cost to pay for a hotel for all of them in intial training.

do a little research before you open your mouth

 

[blackbox]

They just sent me another application package after I turned them down a year ago. Check out the deal they have for me.

1. Pay for my own airline ticket to the interview from the east coast $1000

2. If offered the job pay for my own airline ticket back to Hawaii. $1000

3. Pay for my own hotel during 3 weeks of ground school (cheap hole in hawaii 60$ a night) $1300

So basically I have to pay 3300$ or more for some 20k a year job living in the most expensive state in the US.

What I love is all the responses I will get about people saying "hey pay your dues", "dont apply here we dont need some cocky pilot like you here".

No, I will never work for a company that is so arrogant that they expect ME to pay for those sort of things.. A total @#%^@# joke! I looked at that application for about 2 minutes then threw it right in the trash can.

It says right on their website:

Ground school for 3 weeks in Honolulu; transportation to Honolulu and lodging expenses are the responsibility of the applicant.

If you read the job description, you would have known you had to pay for your own way there and lodging. so why would you apply???

And get off your high horse, how can you have "turned them down" when they havent even offered you a job. It was only an application. YOu cant turn down something that was given to you. Its like dumping a girlfriend you never had.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Let me get this straight, you want to work for $20K per yr and live in one of the most expensive places on Earth? Even if they paid your tickect and hotel, would you still survive? Get in check with reality. Buy an good used Airstream and move to Las Vegas and work for Scenic Air.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

just for the record...
I have worked at 6 different airlines. Not one paid for the hotel during intial training. All, including WP, will give you tickets on their own airplanes, but if you are coming from outside their system, you are on your own.
what gives you the idea that an airline should pay for your hotel during intial training? you are not really considered hired at most, until you pass your checkride. just consider the money you are talking about...
in 2000, UAL hired over 800 pilots. you have any idea what it would have cost to pay for a hotel for all of them in intial training.

do a little research before you open your mouth

Cripes, how did you work at 6 airlines and not have a single one pay for a hotel during initial training? WP I understand, they have always marched to a slightly different beat, but even the regionals I flew for paid hotel and some kind of salary during training.

 

[bruddahgoose]

YOu cant turn down something that was given to you. Its like dumping a girlfriend you never had.

Nice way to put it!

 

[av8tortype]

Let me get this straight, you want to work for $20K per yr and live in one of the most expensive places on Earth? Even if they paid your tickect and hotel, would you still survive? Get in check with reality. Buy an good used Airstream and move to Las Vegas and work for Scenic Air.

Ever check the prices of used Airstreams these days? Anyway, nothing wrong with working for WP, living in your car on Ala Moana beach and chasing the wahines.... builds character.

 

[RJP]

Ever check the prices of used Airstreams these days? Anyway, nothing wrong with working for WP, living in your car on Ala Moana beach and chasing the wahines.... builds character.

I'm moving my car as soon as the "Go Hawaii"/Mesa assclowns move in. There goes the neighborhood.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Let's look at the past 20 years from my personal history

Airline #1 - No salary, but furnished apartment paid for. Later, once on line, apartment rent was deducted from pay (actually a very good deal)

Airline #2 - Paid salary in training but no lodging (but the girl from the apartment complex brought donuts to the first GS class and was a knockout. Guess where we all stayed!)

Airline #3 - Paid minimum wage during training, but paid for lodging

Airline #4 - Paid salary during training, but no lodging (no babe and no donuts this time, either. 6 guys in a stinky suite in STL)

Airline #5 - Paid salary during training, but no lodging. Rented a room from a friend.

So, ILIKE, if you think your brass ring in the airline biz includes new-hire pampering, you may, no you WILL, be disappointed.

 

[flyerswife]

theory is a bit different from reality..

Ever think that the reason for that may be to weed out people who aren't serious about coming to Hawaii?

By showing up, you already tell them you're serious about the job. Show up in a suit and tie (no, don't show up in shorts and an Aloha shirt for the interview), know your stuff, show that you're not an idiot, and the job is yours.

Your theory is solid. However, reality is a bit different... for example, in December, Island Air interviewed 30 qualified pilots... of those 30, only 14 were offered a spot in the pool. All were qualified... all showed that they were serious by paying for there own way to the interview..

Seems to me a telephone pre-interview would have saved some of the applicants some serious time and money. Just a thought.

Still trying to figure out this industry's hiring practices...

flyerswife

 

[Going2Baja]

Or go to LAX in March and get interviewed at the Air Inc joke.....

 

[JimNtexas]

Yeah and they want you to bring a "brown bag lunch to the interview"!! HAHAHA. A company with class!

That is very very lame. I'm not a professional pilot, but I'd hate to be a pax on an airline that treated its guests like that.

They certainly are not going to get the pick of the pilot litter, are they?

 

[808pilot]

i interviewed two weeks ago.....me and one other guy, both of us in current 121 jobs.....i got through the tests, he didn't.....we had to wait about an hour until a call back for the face to face.....i t was rough watching him get the call and getting denied, then my phone ringing 20 secs later asking me to come back in 2hrs.....he also showed up 25min late.....island air wants good people, people that WANT this, no joe schmoes, people that understand island living and all that it comes with....i left hawaii so that i could go back to hawaii....my family and my wife's family, all our friends are there.....they can tell who wants it bad enough and who is there for the quick thrill of getting away from the states only to turn tail b/c they couldn't hack it and then have to turn around and bad mouth the place.....where's my beer.....

 

[JimNtexas]

"people that understand island living"

I'd rather they hire the best pilots, not the best surfers. But I'm just a pax, what do I know?

 

[av8tortype]

.....they can tell who wants it bad enough and who is there for the quick thrill of getting away from the states only to turn tail b/c they couldn't hack it and then have to turn around and bad mouth the place.....where's my beer.....

808,

You've been gone too long ... Hawaii is one of the states.

 

[dash8driver]

That is very very lame. I'm not a professional pilot, but I'd hate to be a pax on an airline that treated its guests like that.

They certainly are not going to get the pick of the pilot litter, are they?

it does sound a little odd in the letter but you have to try to understand what they're trying to do. their offices are very remote from anywhere to eat and they know the interview process may pass thru the lunch hour. so they are trying to give you a heads up so you wont be hungry and far from food.

i dont know why thats so hard to understand. maybe its a new test.. the people that cant grasp a simple concept wont come and waste their time.

talk about not having the bigger picture. your purpose there is to get a job flying planes. if you are trying to get free food, go interview at mcdonalds.



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[RJP]

But I'm just a pax, what do I know?

I agree. You know nothing. Thanks.

 

[mdanno808]

Hawaii is very different than any other state in the union. What he means by saying "understand island living" is that a lot of people from the mainland hate living in Hawaii because it is indeed so very different than the culture they are used to. The cost of living is high, it is a very closed off society, and sometimes people from the mainland have a hard time fitting in. Surfing has absolutely nothing to do with it. I appreciate you're complete lack of understanding on the subject however. It simply means I won't have to stand behind you at starmarket listening to you bitch about how expensive the milk is.

"people that understand island living"

I'd rather they hire the best pilots, not the best surfers. But I'm just a pax, what do I know?

 

[808pilot]

jimntexas....you just summed it all up.....your narrow thought process says it all.....why do people just assume we surf and know nothing else? you know nothing of hawaii....i know nothing of texas, but i can go on and generalize your state for hours and then you would come back and say "texas isn't like that, you know nothing..."the other guys on this thread have said it all already....hawaii is not like the rest of the states....can you get spam and eggs at McD's? did you grow up and go to school with people from just about every south pacific island? did you go to school barefoot until your senior year? i could go on.....
some of the best pilots i know have flown at or are currently with WP.....i thought as an officer in the USAF you could think on your feet, look outside the box, be objective.....please stay in texas and continue to go rope the steers and qu__rs.....

 

[JimNtexas]

I can see the rational for not flying people in from all over the world. I wouldn't quibble with that.

"their offices are very remote from anywhere to eat"

I know nothing about Hawaii or management of airlines. But I'm familiar with normal business practice. That's why I find it mind-boggling that any company in any business that went to the trouble of running a help-wanted ad would not provide lunch for its applicants for a day long interview, especially if their offices are very remote from anywhere to eat.

Sure, they save ten bucks that it would cost to bring in some deli sandwiches, but they send a message to the applicant that says "you are not worth ten bucks to us."

They just will not get the best people with that sort of practice. At least they wouldn't in any other field of endeavor.

In the normal business world you want to hire the best people. But I guess in aviation it just doesn't matter.

I think I'll start a new thread on the subject of "does the quality of pilots impact the bottom line"?