Is SIC time really that worthless?

[Kingairrick]

Some really good info guys. Anybody had first hand experience getting a job after being let go from a regional whilst only ever being SIC?
Would a person with 121 time be looked more favorably upon than that of someone with 135 time, or does it not matter?

In response to your first post, a good friend starts Netjest next month with exactly that scenario. Lots of PIC instructing, traffic, ect. He had some King Air 90 stuff, then went to a Regional. Still SIC there, on his way...

Now in you second post quoted above, you say "let go" from a regional. I'd be more concerned about that...

 

[FN FAL]

is there one that flies RJs??????

regionals don't fly airplaynes...passengers do.

 

[AAslag]

Its been said the SIC time in a CRJ is worthless in the mindset of employers, unless of course you are upgrading within the company.
We all know PIC time is king, however if you had a bunch of PIC prop/turbine time, and just needed Jet time in order to land that dream jet job at your favourite fractional, would it be worth going to a regional for say a year in order to get your Jet time up?

Is SIC time as worthless as they say?
No wise crack remarks please, this is a hypothetical question, thank you

No, only ALPA's Duane is worthless. :angryfire

But seriously, pilotyip is correct, unless of course you can get some typed time in say a 767 or 747 with international experience. Then of course "that" time will help supplement your overall experience and lack of turbojet PIC.

Hasn't help me lately, but then again I've been living under a dark cloud for the last two years. Best of luck dude.

Sorry for the wise crack, I can't help it.

Slag

 

[volunteer]

I wouldn't call it worthless, several hundred ACA copilots just hired onto Netjets.

...and several ACA Captains. They are all on the same playing field now at Netjets, so the co-piglets have the same job as the Captains. PIC time didn't help them there. So, certainly in this situation, SIC time had some value.

 

[falcon20driver]

That's kinda funny, your old co-piglets gonna be tellin you to go grab some coffee/ice/and papers here soon.

 

[Vik]

how can it be worthless? you're getting to touch the controls and do takeoffs, landings and you are a required crewmember. Now if there is word that your company makes SIC sit on their hands and not fly the plane, you got more problems to deal with anyway.

 

[ukaviator]

In response to your first post, a good friend starts Netjest next month with exactly that scenario. Lots of PIC instructing, traffic, ect. He had some King Air 90 stuff, then went to a Regional. Still SIC there, on his way...

Now in you second post quoted above, you say "let go" from a regional. I'd be more concerned about that...

Sorry slip-o-the-tongue!!
The word I meant to use was 'furloughed', not 'let go'.
A freind and I are experiencing the same issue .... we have multi time (around 500hrs or so), have turbine time (albeit Single engine), 135 experience and are both around the 2000 hour plus mark. Most of it PIC but when ever you look at job postings for say a charter op or private gig, they either want previous jet time, or jet time and types.
So I wanted to know what the information guru's on this site thought about going to the regionals to aquire this. What really puts me off about doing that though, is I could have gone to the regionals at 800hrs --- I dont want to beleive all our efforts have been in vain and have to settle.
Thanks for all your posts guys, really insightful stuff.

 

[lawfly]

A type doesn't hurt to get a charter gig. Even as an SIC to start. Most of the SICs where I have been working were already typed when hired. With maybe some left seat on deadheads once you have been there a little while and, depending on your times and the company's needs, an upgrade. And somebody posted 1200 hours 135 mins gets you PIC? Not in a jet, not that I ever saw (except military). I just went from 135 jet to (very recently) a frac---haven't started at the frac yet. A lot of my turbine time is SIC. My turbine time is multi turbine and jet. And a type rating on my ATP. For me, the frac seems to be the best choice for a number of reasons, some of which might not pertain to you. But the 121/135/91/miltary pilots who were hired with me will all be on the same seniority list at the frac, based on date of hire at the frac, regardless of whether PIC or SIC in their last jobs.

 

[pilotyip]

lawfly, no I was saying jet PIC, I was saying PIC at someplace like AirNet, Ameriflight or a place that would lead to PIC in large requipment in a short period of time like USA Jet or Kallitta, (little). This builds your resume for the next step.

 

[Publishers]

While no time is worthless, I tend to look more at PIC single pilot experience which comes from the Airnet's type flying as a solid background. Many on these boards promote the working your way up as a CFI etc as the way to go but I tend to look at what type flying you did early on.
If you have a type but little PIC it is not very impressive compared with a non typed but more PIC in something smaller.
SIC where you sort of leaped there is not anything I look at. I like people with banner towing, check hauling, cargo parts haulers, who then got a shot at maybe a turboprop job which became PIC.
We are not looking for "Radio-men".