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boeingav8r

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I've been out of town for a week or so, and I recently tried to log onto www.planejobs.com Seems like the site is down for some reason. Does anybody know what's going on with them? Thanks for the help.....BoeingAv8r
 
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Here is what I know.

When Jim Dent saw that he would lose AEPS, he started Planejobs.com.

I suspect that he was banned from the business in the AEPS settlement or court order but cannot point to anything that says that.

He did offer it to the former UPAS president to pay some debts he owed that individual. I was told that he returned it as it was not generating the money claimed and so they were seeking someone new to take it over.
 
screw 'em

Thanks for the reply. Due to all the politics going on with the Dents, all of the pilots subscribed to the service are inconvenienced. I tried to sign up for AEPS as well, and a similar situation was happening over there.

They're not answering emails or phone calls, but boy they sure receive and process your credit card information when you sent it to them.

Planejobs should prorate money back to the subscribers for each day that they don't have the website up and running. Seems like the only worthwhile site is Climbto350.com You have to wait the 5 days to read the jobs, but I've never seen that site down for any reason.
 
climbto

climbto is a good deal simpler that AEPS on the tech side. For one, it had maybe 2% of the number of profiles in it. AEPS had a very good system and a very sophisticated one.

All considered, it did not go down much until the recent problems when it was taken away from Dent.

Planejobs may or may not return at all.
 
403

Are you guys getting a 403 Forbidden message at planejobs.com? Just wanted to verify I'm seeing what you're seeing.

Thanks! :)
 
I just recently joined plane jobs 2 months ago and spent the money for a yearly membership. Many credit cards let you "dispute" charges. I'm planning on attempting to get my money back from these people. I signed up for a service and they obviously can't deliver. Maybe if we all try to do harass them, they'll put the website back online. By the way, it's not like it costs them alot of money to run that website. Their site is very simple. The website that I operated for a while costs only a few hundred dollars a YEAR!!! Planejobs.com has no overhead, no product to ship, they obviously don't answer phonecalls or emails...They are simply providing information to us pilots. I think the reason the site is down is because of poor management and politics.
 
Did you read what I posted above. It had been given to Tim Kirkwood as payment for debt from Jim Dent (AEPS, UPAS, AviationCareer.net). After reviewing the financials of it, Tim gave it back.

It is questionable if it will go on without someone else coming along to buy or take it.
 
Thanks Publisher for the good information...I misunderstood what you're saying in your earlier post :D

Heck, I'm laid off right now and not doing anything except looking for work. I'd gladly take over www.planejobs.com and sit in my home office posting a few new pilot jobs every day. It cannot be that difficult.
I feel a company designed to help pilots (like planejobs.com) should be run by pilots and not by non-pilot beancounters or businessmen who don't know anything about what it takes to obtain a flying job. I personally don't know if the Dent's, Kirkwood's or any of the other site owners are pilots, but if they ARE pilots, they should understand the turmoil of this industry and do whatever it takes to keep this site online. Instead of playing games with this website by giving it to somebody to settle a debt and having them give it back or whatever, just keep the site GOING and post new jobs for the thousands of pilots who need to feed their families.

If I owned planejobs, I would run it right by answering phone calls, return my emails, and stop posting bogus job leads (ie ASA. They are clearly not interviewing and/or hiring until later this year, per a phonecall I made to the company, the ASA website and insider information. Planejobs still continues to post information saying ASA is currently hiring.)

Publisher, after reading several of your previous posts, it seems like you have some good insider information on all of these job boards like AEPS & Planejobs. Maybe you can talk to the owners and tell them to get their $hit straight or give us our money back. If Mr. Dent owes Mr. Kirkwood money, he should simply pay him the money he owes.....don't give him a site that alot of people (including me) depend upon.

Just my 2 cents
 
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Clear the air

OK-- let's get a few things straight.

First, all the people involved with AEPS, UPAS, Planejobs, and the others for the most part have the industry knowledge.

Secondly. Mr. Dent has no money to pay Mr. Kirkwood. The demise of UPAS wiped him out and left him oweing the debt to of all people ALPA.

Thirdly, to run one of these sites, the first thing you need is a computer programer who thinks they are worth $100k a year and that is probably the current market.

Both AEPS and Planejobs were being held up just to keep them running until it was decided what to do with them. That means that customer service is not a big deal.

Lastly, the important thing with AEPS and UPAS is that they were designed for the companies, not just you. The job posting board is and was a small part of the whole. The companies that used it usually did not want to post jobs, just search resumes as they did not want the resumes in the door. This is the element that most of the members never quite understood.

In times like this, companies do not want to post jobs. They want to conduct stealthy searches of existing databases for they do not want to be deluged with resumes from people hey do not want/
 
Re: Clear the air

Publishers said:
OK-- let's get a few things straight.

First, all the people involved with AEPS, UPAS, Planejobs, and the others for the most part have the industry knowledge.

OK, maybe some of the people involved with sites like these have industry knowledge, but then again, there's people like Kit Darby who is still telling everybody there's a pilot shortage. I don't think he's that stupid to think there's a shortage...I tend to believe that people like him who run these businesses are mainly non-pilot crooks who are looking out to get your subscription money and don't care about customer service or delivering the product you paid for. I don't know, call me old school or whatever, but if I pay for something, I want to receive what I paid for

Secondly. Mr. Dent has no money to pay Mr. Kirkwood. The demise of UPAS wiped him out and left him oweing the debt to of all people ALPA.

I know all about being in debt. Mr. Dent is not the first one to ever owe money. He needs to step up to the plate like all of the other Americans who are out of work and do what it takes to pay your debt. Move out of your 4000 square foot home, get a second job, flight instruct again, whatever. DON'T give a website away and have it given back, then take it off of the internet.

Thirdly, to run one of these sites, the first thing you need is a computer programer who thinks they are worth $100k a year and that is probably the current market.

I'm not a computer programmer, but I have owned a website where I sold over 3000 items and I ran it myself. You do not need to be a programmer to do what I did. The format for planejobs.com seems fairly simple. Just post job listings for the pilots and post resumes for the companies to view...not brain surgery.


Both AEPS and Planejobs were being held up just to keep them running until it was decided what to do with them. That means that customer service is not a big deal.

Customer Service not a big deal when in times of uncertainty???? Whatever. That's like being in the middle of an airline flight and finding out that as soon as you land, the airline is going out of business so the airline personell stop giving a $hit about the passengers. Hell, what do the employees have to loose?? They're out of a job. So no beverage/meal service for the duration of the flight, no announcements for the rest of the flight and after landing, the passengers are responsible for getting their own luggage out of the belly. Was this flight your intermediate leg of a multi-segment trip? Oh well, you're stuck. Fend for yourself because we're out of business and we don't care.

Basically, I got screwed by UPAS and now it looks like planejobs is doing the same thing. I hate it when companies don't do business right and the customer suffers. I've personally owned several businesses and I know first hand how things should work if it's done right. I just want my money to be prorated back. I have absolutely no problem paying for the portion of time that I used while planejobs was online. Publisher, I'm sure you're a nice guy and I have no beef with you...I'm just upset at these companies that have zero accountability. I think I'll stay with climbto350.com
 
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Would anyone be really interested in helping to run a jobs board?

Just curious... there could be an opportunity for the right person. Or so I was told. :)
 
My understanding is that they are looking for someone with years of industry knowledge and business/marketing/HR experience. The need is not so much in helping with day-to-day operations or programming, but in making sure members really get their money worth as well as making aviation community aware of the site's existence.
 
mvoughn4x said:
My understanding is that they are looking for someone with years of industry knowledge and business/marketing/HR experience.

I think what mainly counts is the aviation experience and industry knowledge. This industry is unlike any other industry in the world and who else would understand it better than a pilot. We get up day after day searching for a job, talking to industry people and scouring over the internet for leads. I'm not saying it's not important for whoever takes over planejobs shouldn't have knowledge in marketing, HR and business, but they should be INTIMATELY familiar with aviation and how to land a job in this industry. A pilot would know this from first hand experience.
 
Re: What?

Publishers said:
who is looking for what?

Someone I know (not in any way related to planejobs or aeps) wants to get a good jobs board off the ground and wants to make it right, but lacks the industry knowledge. So he asked me if I know anyone and I decided to ask here.
 
Jobs Boards

As I have written before, the key to the jobs boards are the relationships with air carriers and employers. Secondly, the thing that made AEPS successful besides the fact that most of us in any way connected were experienced aviation people.

A good deal of the success and ability to get the companies support came from the aspects you have not thought of and that is also where all the cost is.

As example, the searchable database of members. Many employers want to search but not post job.
 
Re: Jobs Boards

Publishers said:
As I have written before, the key to the jobs boards are the relationships with air carriers and employers.

As example, the searchable database of members. Many employers want to search but not post job.

I think they do have searchable database.

I guess I sould adjust my question based on the Publisher's comment: would anyone with established relationships with air carriers and employers and in-depth industry knowledge be interested in helping to run a new strart-up jobs board?

Should I post it as a separate thread to get more people to see it? I think very few people read this one. I am a very "junior" member, so I am not quite sure how to properly post things.
 

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