Is Jetblue considering going to a single pay rate?

[commuterguy]

Don't know where I heard it from, but seems I've read that JB may go to a single pay rate for both aircraft. Is there any truth to the rumor at all? If both aircraft went to the airbus pay rates that would make it a very attractive place to be.

 

[Longhorn]

It has been discussed and is one of the many options that the company is looking at. I would not bank on anything just yet and wait until March or April when the pay review is over...by then we will all know much more.

LH

 

[jetflier]

Don't know where I heard it from, but seems I've read that JB may go to a single pay rate for both aircraft. Is there any truth to the rumor at all? If both aircraft went to the airbus pay rates that would make it a very attractive place to be.

That would be the beginning of the company dipping in the pilots pockets to fix their mistakes.

You know that they will not be raising the Airbus pay rate,...they want to lower it by using the support of the lesser paid RJ pilots.

They are trying to chip away at the pay rates because they see the change in pilot pay rates rising in the near future.

Its less expensive for them to go up from a lower payscale than from the current payscale.

 

[MD80DRVR]

NOBODY on the property would support lowering the airbus pay rate just to get a raise on the E190. The airbus is the light at the end of the tunnel, why would anyone want to dim it?

 

[zkmayo]

The issue involves raising the 190 rates to a new COLA adjusted 320 rates, not the other way around (although that has been the dark joke around the pilot group). Benefits for the co. would be the savings on training events and culture benefits of not having a 320 vs. 190 mentality. For the pilots, obviously it would be a significant pay inc for 190 pilots. Only negative would be that same reason; 320 pilots would not get as large of an increase for having been at the co longer(most are more senior)/flying a larger airplane.

To me the best argument for 1 rate is that the pilots are the only employee group that get paid a different rate for working on a different airplane (that is besides the fact that we are underpaid).

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

One payrate will be fine if we do it like UPS, but we know thats not going to happen. Rummor is one pay rate, then larger aircraft.

 

[johnboy99]

That would be the beginning of the company dipping in the pilots pockets to fix their mistakes.

You mean like northwest did to it's pilots when they filed bankruptcy??

 

[PinnacleDude]

That would be the beginning of the company dipping in the pilots pockets to fix their mistakes.

You mean like northwest did to it's pilots when they filed bankruptcy??

Low blow. That is like me asking why JetBlue guys don't talk to your union about not settling for a single rate below the A320.

 

[clickclickboom]

The PVC and PCG are calling it " STATUS " Pay.. A recent survey was sent to all pilots and the information will be presented to the BOD.

Expect to see 190 match 320 or come very close 80-90%

Expect to see the 190 and 320 fo rates match with a better longevity raise after years 3-5

That being said the bus guys will still make more money.. A 50% bider on the bus can get 85-90 hrs and 16 days off average while the corresponding 190 guy can only get about 75-80 with 13-14 days off.

 

[IronCityBlue]

That being said the bus guys will still make more money.. A 50% bider on the bus can get 85-90 hrs and 16 days off average while the corresponding 190 guy can only get about 75-80 with 13-14 days off.

That's because the 190 trips suck, but they don't have to. Even the bus trips with the productive red eye stuff have been slipping lately in terms of quality and productivity. Opening up too many bases too fast can really dillute good flying into bad trips real quick.

The 190 will never have the red eye stuff but right now its utilization sucks bad because its mechanical quality sucks bad. If it comes around and the company feels they can turn it loose (*ding* its now free to fly around the country) then the split in trip quality will narrow significantly.

 

[Floatplane]

They can call it whatever they want, status pay or seat pay, but I am against it in any form. It sets a bad precedent for us going forward.

 

[Joblu]

That's because the 190 trips suck, but they don't have to. Even the bus trips with the productive red eye stuff have been slipping lately in terms of quality and productivity. Opening up too many bases too fast can really dillute good flying into bad trips real quick.

The 190 will never have the red eye stuff but right now its utilization sucks bad because its mechanical quality sucks bad. If it comes around and the company feels they can turn it loose (*ding* its now free to fly around the country) then the split in trip quality will narrow significantly.

I though reliability on the Jungle jet went up. That was why they were going to the west coast. I guess I may be wrong and it still has it's issues.

 

[Headfake14]

It's night and day better than 12 months ago. She still misbehaves now and then. MOST of the time, if we just power down/up once, that'll clear any weird msgs...BUT, sux if we've already taxi'd out and have to come back.

Other issues is our hands are tied a bit with relief on MELs and what a crew can do on the fly with an MEL. Any other jet out there can dispatch with a busted CSD...but the FAA won't allow that yet since it's still a fairly new breed. Thats what I was told when I asked about that. There are a few other things that are pretty silly in my opinion, but hopefully relief isn't too far away from the feds.

 

[Dizel8]

That being said the bus guys will still make more money.. A 50% bider on the bus can get 85-90 hrs and 16 days off average while the corresponding 190 guy can only get about 75-80 with 13-14 days off.

Is that like DN saying you can use your seniority to get a payraise, because you can fly more hours or is it like RC, saying we can give ourselves a raise by being more productive?

With all due respect, it sounds equally bad coming from them or from you

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

status pay to keep the status quo.....??? (no union)

 

[clickclickboom]

Is that like DN saying you can use your seniority to get a payraise, because you can fly more hours or is it like RC, saying we can give ourselves a raise by being more productive?

With all due respect, it sounds equally bad coming from them or from you

Actually I was just stating a fact.. Take a look at the monthly awards. Anything else you get from this factual post is your perception

 

[sligo1]

Hmmm give your self a raise by working more. Sounds like B.S. to me, but there are guy's out there that actually buy into this train of thought. It is time to form an in house representative group for the pilots. Pay is not the only issue we have to contend with at JB, it does work just look at SWA. Representation doesn't mean it has to be an adverse relationship with management.


Support JBPA

 

[Dizel8]

Take a look at the monthly awards.

It is called seniority. Now if I could only turn that into a real payraise!

 

[ultrarunner]

It has been discussed and is one of the many options that the company is looking at. I would not bank on anything just yet and wait until March or April when the pay review is over...by then we will all know much more.

LH

This is stuff compensation committee's look at. However, in the end it ultimately comes down to 'supply and demand' and 'employee retention'.

Another part of the puzzle is the airlines are able to track exactly the length of time of pay-back based on length of service vs. retraining costs, vs. training events, vs. cost of interviewing, etc....

I can get fairly in depth.

However, on the "surface" if a company is considering "streamlining" their pay scales, and in the case of JB, it would ultimately result in 190 rates becoming 320 rates, then you can bet your sister that "retention" is a BIG part of the equation.

At some point, even though there is always someone willing to do the job for less, that "someone" will ultimately be a person that is NOT employable.


"hire smart"

"pay smart"

 

[jetflier]

That would be the beginning of the company dipping in the pilots pockets to fix their mistakes.

You mean like northwest did to it's pilots when they filed bankruptcy??

Exactaly !....I voted NO !

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Word is from the squadron no raises at B6 this year. Big boys say they can't afford it.

 

[IronCityBlue]

Word is from the squadron no raises at B6 this year. Big boys say they can't afford it.

And so it begins...

 

[Longhorn]

Word is from the squadron no raises at B6 this year. Big boys say they can't afford it.

When did you hear this? I have been hearing just the opposite.

 

[IronCityBlue]

When did you hear this? I have been hearing just the opposite.

Heard Mr. "Zero Out Your Contracts" said we can't get 10% raises or else everyone else at the company will want it. Yeah.

 

[Longhorn]

Yea, I just heard that as well....after I posted. Well, who knows at this point what will happen. The rumors are flying in both directions.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Heard Mr. "Zero Out Your Contracts" said we can't get 10% raises or else everyone else at the company will want it. Yeah.

Um, doesn't everbody want a raise? May be he really wants a union here and this is way of making it happen.

 

[Dizel8]

Heck, every time he opens his mouth, something bad comes out.

He is rapidly becoming a poster child for why people unionize.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Leadership knows they can pay now and possibly put off a union, or pay later... much later.

 

[Lake Alice]

Take the hours flown, the amount of money we made, the number of planes we have, the colossal February 14th mistake, company mentality of one group being equal to another and the lack of any sort of negotiating committee and all this adds up to no raise. Face reality fellas.

 

[IronCityBlue]

Take the hours flown, the amount of money we made, the number of planes we have, the colossal February 14th mistake, company mentality of one group being equal to another and the lack of any sort of negotiating committee and all this adds up to no raise. Face reality fellas.

That's okay. Another year of pay erosion and management arrogance will only help the union drive. Bring it on.