Is it True?

[bailey3083]

I have heard that new hire FO's are taking close to 100 hours in IOE and struggling to make it thru training. Any truth?

Bailey

 

[CA1900]

I have heard that new hire FO's are taking close to 100 hours in IOE and struggling to make it thru training. Any truth?

If you could be just slightly more specific -- maybe tell us what company you're talking about, for starters -- you might get better info. "Regionals" is a little broad.

 

[HarryParatestes]

If you could be just slightly more specific -- maybe tell us what company you're talking about, for starters -- you might get better info. "Regionals" is a little broad.

Little Broad? Talking about midgets, I love midgets.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

I saw the tallest midget the other day at the gas station.

 

[twighead]

At PDT we have an AQP program so we do cycles instead of hours. Anyway, you are required to complete at least 40 cycles, but I hear that a lot of guys are now going up to 80 cycles.

When I was hired most of the guys in my class finished in about 50 or less. I'm sure they would have fired us if we needed 80.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

The regional training wheels.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

At PDT we have an AQP program so we do cycles instead of hours. Anyway, you are required to complete at least 40 cycles, but I hear that a lot of guys are now going up to 80 cycles.

When I was hired most of the guys in my class finished in about 50 or less. I'm sure they would have fired us if we needed 80.

It's 40 cycles now? jeeez... It was 25 or out when I got hired.

 

[Avpilot]

I can't speak for what is 'average' at ExpressJet, but my experience as a new FO in 2004 was about 30 hours...a 4 day and 2 days of the next 4 day. As a CA, it was just 2 trips back to back, each a one day trip. 12.5 hours total. Again, I don't know if that is the average right now.

Tim

 

[bailey3083]

If you could be just slightly more specific -- maybe tell us what company you're talking about, for starters -- you might get better info. "Regionals" is a little broad.

The few guys from the regional side have told me they are seeing a huge increase in IOE times with the new hires. I am asking such a broad question to see if it is just their regionals or if this is all regionals.

Bailey

 

[Captain Morgan]

I hope it doesn't happen, but look forward to an increase in accidents and incidents...

CM

 

[OPECJet]

The few guys from the regional side have told me they are seeing a huge increase in IOE times with the new hires. I am asking such a broad question to see if it is just their regionals or if this is all regionals.

Bailey

I think it is that way at most of the crappier regionals. I ran across a guy here who was approaching 60 cycles on SOE.

I've heard of many new guys going 12 or more sim sessions, with the highest being over 20.

 

[daviator28621]

I think it is that way at most of the crappier regionals. I ran across a guy here who was approaching 60 cycles on SOE.

I've heard of many new guys going 12 or more sim sessions, with the highest being over 20.

At what point are they cutting them off and sending them home?

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

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At what point are they cutting them off and sending them home?

PDT can't afford to send them home unless they are completely hopeless.

 

[Fred Rogers]

Colgan IOE does not really have a definate "stop date"

Usually the IOE student is transferred from the IOE Capt to the Line Capt at about 25 hrs. The Line Capt completes the IOE process which can take up to 6 months.



www.alpa.org/colgan

 

[bailey3083]

Oh how times have changed. When I started many moons ago if you busted anything you were given a second chance then sent home. Take more then 30 hours in IOE and you were sent home. Maybe Kit was correct and the tough times are here.

Bailey

 

[acaTerry]

Geez Steve, it took you about 1,250 at ACA didn't it? I was skeered flying with you.

 

[belchfire]

I'm surprised they can find anyone that will stick around for that long! My gosh, what with the crappy pay and everything I'm surprised everyone just hasn't packed it in and gone to law school or something. Doesn't anyone get it? No retirement, whimpy unions caving to management that takes their golden parachutes home when things get bad...

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Conspiracy Theory

I think these FOs at ASA are smarter than we all give them credit for. Take up to 100 hours for IOE (2 months), then after that, have scheduling build you a line for the next 2 months while you work on your first 100 hours. Then by the time this is over, you have about 4 months seniority of line flying, and you'll be a line holder by the time you bid with the rest of the pilots....thus, you've never been on reserve.

 

[Fred Rogers]

I'm surprised they can find anyone that will stick around for that long! My gosh, what with the crappy pay and everything I'm surprised everyone just hasn't packed it in and gone to law school or something. Doesn't anyone get it? No retirement, whimpy unions caving to management that takes their golden parachutes home when things get bad...

You know, I am starting to wonder. I think the corner is about to be turned though. Once they can't find people to fly the planes won't they have to make it more attractive to work there?

 

[SBD-2U3]

I hope it doesn't happen, but look forward to an increase in accidents and incidents...

CM

Was this some kind of qualifier to an already jacked up statement....Seriously dude WTF Over?!.