Is Delta Hiring?

[jonjuan]

Why? Because it's true? And everyone already knows it?

How many females or blacks have been hired since '07? Percentage wise? Anyone know?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I heard this from the Senior VP of Ops a month ago.

-300-400 more bodies needed for the LGA-DCA slot swap alone.
-Flight time duty time (them not knowing the language) could need 700-900 more.
-180 early retirements mostly from 330 and 747....need to backfill but not doing it right now, due to no idea what network wants.
-330 getting 12+ hour bunks for four man ops....(no numbers given, but more bids to go out once complete).
-That age 65 thingy ain't working out so well, and all a guy has to do is turn in papers and be done with no notice. (has them alarmed, but no numbers given)
-2013 a couple hundred of retirements a year starts up for the next 10 years.

That's the good news....

Bad news...
-243 bypassed recall, some may return...
-it all depends on the economy.

 

[jonjuan]

I heard this from the Senior VP of Ops a month ago.

-300-400 more bodies needed for the LGA-DCA slot swap alone.
-Flight time duty time (them not knowing the language) could need 700-900 more.
-180 early retirements mostly from 330 and 747....need to backfill but not doing it right now, due to no idea what network wants.
-330 getting 12+ hour bunks for four man ops....(no numbers given, but more bids to go out once complete).
-That age 65 thingy ain't working out so well, and all a guy has to do is turn in papers and be done with no notice. (has them alarmed, but no numbers given)
-2013 a couple hundred of retirements a year starts up for the next 10 years.

That's the good news....

Bad news...
-243 bypassed recall, some may return...
-it all depends on the economy.

Thought I saw somewhere that 65ers will total 600-800/year at DL for years. Holy Christ if true. GupWn may indeed upgrade someday.

 

[Jar Jar]

He's right. I have been at 3 airlines. In the new hire classes of all three i was the only white male and the rest were chicks and black dudes...Oh wait, nevermind. The exact opposite is how it really was.

Thats because they were in the classes ahead of yours!

Seriously, in 2010 Delta did in fact take 5 black female FOs from ASA with ZERO PIC time. Thats great and all, but how many white males you think got taken with those same qualifications?

In all fairness, maybe those girls all had better personalities and skillsets than any white males who were also lucky enough to get the interview.

 

[Smarta$$]

He's right. I have been at 3 airlines. In the new hire classes of all three i was the only white male and the rest were chicks and black dudes...Oh wait, nevermind. The exact opposite is how it really was.

I agree. It was very rare at my 2 airlines to be anything OTHER THAN white male.

But he needs to make himself feel better for not being qualified for a better job.

 

[regionalcap]

Even if Delta hires, it will first be the flowthroughs, the ASA female FOs with no PIC time, the WAI members, and the OBAP candidates. THEN the rest of us.

I know some male FOs that were also hired with no PIC time. What's your point?

 

[SLUF4]

I'm pretty sure Delta didn't hire 5 black female FO's from ASA in 2010.

 

[jonjuan]

I'm pretty sure Delta didn't hire 5 black female FO's from ASA in 2010.

Cmon-let him feel better about his disappointing life.

 

[Muskycat]

I heard this from the Senior VP of Ops a month ago.

-300-400 more bodies needed for the LGA-DCA slot swap alone.
-Flight time duty time (them not knowing the language) could need 700-900 more.
-180 early retirements mostly from 330 and 747....need to backfill but not doing it right now, due to no idea what network wants.
-330 getting 12+ hour bunks for four man ops....(no numbers given, but more bids to go out once complete).
-That age 65 thingy ain't working out so well, and all a guy has to do is turn in papers and be done with no notice. (has them alarmed, but no numbers given)
-2013 a couple hundred of retirements a year starts up for the next 10 years.

That's the good news....

Bad news...
-243 bypassed recall, some may return...
-it all depends on the economy.

Actually about 10,000 pilots will retire based on age 65, from 2011 to 2033. The numbers start around 200 a year, then work up to 800+ (2021 thru 2024) a year in 2021, then decrease back down to 200+ a year in 2033. S0, the averages start at 200, peak at 800+, then slowly back to 200. During this time period, there will be 15 consecutive years of 400+ (400 to 700; 2017 thru 2031) retirements per year.

Basically, the word is to start hiring in 2012 and we don't know when it'll stop. I'm guessing the company is going to want to achieve a narrow body vs wide body pay rate in our 2012 contract, or some incentive to cut massive training cost over 20+ years.
And not to mention the added LGA flying and long haul international mentioned in the above post.

 

[nwaf16dude]

I'm sure there are some out there somewhere, but I have never seen a black female delta pilot.

 

[On Your Six]

Actually about 10,000 pilots will retire based on age 65, from 2011 to 2033. The numbers start around 200 a year, then work up to 800+ (2021 thru 2024) a year in 2021, then decrease back down to 200+ a year in 2033. S0, the averages start at 200, peak at 800+, then slowly back to 200. During this time period, there will be 15 consecutive years of 400+ (400 to 700; 2017 thru 2031) retirements per year.

Basically, the word is to start hiring in 2012 and we don't know when it'll stop. I'm guessing the company is going to want to achieve a narrow body vs wide body pay rate in our 2012 contract, or some incentive to cut massive training cost over 20+ years.
And not to mention the added LGA flying and long haul international mentioned in the above post.

That's what I am hearing as well. There will be a lot if movement, especially if a new contract will include some relief on retirement health insurance. If so, there will a flood of people leaving, especially FNWA pilots that still have a pretty good frozen pension.

Contrast that with relative slow retirement numbers at SWA, at around 150 a year max for the next 10 years, and the addition of the overall younger Airtran group, and I would think prospective pilots would choose DL or another legacy. Especially if payrates rise in future contracts.



OYS

 

[twobits]

Not to depress the ever so positive outlook here, but Delta is not going to be hiring for a long time - at least 2013 and maybe later. Why? Not the economy, but network inefficiencies that will result in base realignments (why else would the 330's be getting bunks for 4 man). You can sugar coat it all day long, but in the end, Delta only needs around 8500 pilots to be an efficient operation with the routes that it wants. This is after it hands out flying to other carrier's. With that said, when pilot hiring does resume (2015 at the earliest), at least there will be some movement at a few hundred bodies a year finally! Everyone has few years to brush up on their jive before any major influx of pilots at Delta.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ok twobits....

Network innefficiencies? Do tell? It's called FLEET issues. 22 330's, 21 764's 15 747's, and they want to fly them everywhere!! They can't just base them somewhere and expect to be able to touch all points of the world they like. This is just the nature of the beast. If they could figure it out, they would have.....

Expect more deadheads, more random schedule drawdowns and rampups and chaos....

Although, the truth is , RA never met a codeshare he didn't like. So point taken there Mr. Sunshine!

 

[jonjuan]

Not to depress the ever so positive outlook here, but Delta is not going to be hiring for a long time - at least 2013 and maybe later. Why? Not the economy, but network inefficiencies that will result in base realignments (why else would the 330's be getting bunks for 4 man). You can sugar coat it all day long, but in the end, Delta only needs around 8500 pilots to be an efficient operation with the routes that it wants. This is after it hands out flying to other carrier's. With that said, when pilot hiring does resume (2015 at the earliest), at least there will be some movement at a few hundred bodies a year finally! Everyone has few years to brush up on their jive before any major influx of pilots at Delta.

You also said last year that they wouldn't hire until '12. Whoopsadaisies.....

 

[ASA_DFW]

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