Is Colgan toast?

[Skippy]

yes there will be a name change-- there almost always is folloring an accident and its not a major airline.

yesterday the faa poi announced that volgan made it's intention known to get another 15 q's--- i doubt CAL drops them- it's about money and colgan is cheap

 

[Grinder10]

This will be the impetus for Colgan to be fully merged with Pinnacle. PCL ALPA will get their wish of one list/one company, although a tragic crash was not the best way for it to happen.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I agree with minimaniac and grinder. Listening to the NTSB hearing for the last couple days, it is apparent the Colgan training department and administrative structure needs to GO. Mary Finnegan doesn't know the pay rates for F/Os? YGBSM.

They don't sim train stick shakers and stick pushers? YGBSM.

These clowns have no business in the airline industry.

 

[cale42]

I'm not for one second defending this crew.. I think they screwed the pooch.

But two points keep being made that bug me. I'm typed on the Q, through flightsafety and have also done airline specific training on it. Stick pusher training is not part of any program I have seen. I've had it demoed for me in the sim because I wanted to see what it looked like, but not a part of required training.

Second, the Q doesn't have a chip detect feature that is visible to the pilots like most props. That function is hidden in an enigmatic Powerplant message, that can mean one of about 17 things none of which the crew can identify. If that's the only turbine aircraft the girl ever flew she wouldn't necessarily have know what that was.

Again, not for one second defending the crew in any way shape or form, but don't incriminate them for things beyond their control.

cale

 

[30West]

Again, not for one second defending the crew in any way shape or form, but don't incriminate them for things beyond their control.

cale

Agreed. Unfortunately there's chum in the water and this site is top heavy with scavengers.

 

[LazyLightnin']

Did Colgan recently change their requirements, or has it always been listed as 1000 hrs total?

 

[flynryan15]

Did Colgan recently change their requirements, or has it always been listed as 1000 hrs total?

Colgan's total time requirement changes with supply and demand. Early 2008 and late 2007 when everyone was hiring Colgan's minimums were 300/50.

 

[planejockey]

perfect reason for pinchanickle and depressjet to merge. They both would benefit from this since sheputtle and sky pest are bigger than both PNCL and XJT. RAH and SKYW have a future plan unlike depressjet.

 

[Long Time Gone]

This will be the impetus for Colgan to be fully merged with Pinnacle. PCL ALPA will get their wish of one list/one company, although a tragic crash was not the best way for it to happen.

You're the first I've seen to actually mention Pinnacle in this. I'm curious as to how many lawyers will have suit filed against Pinnacle also, since they're the holding company, and have had numerous accidents and incidents due to stupidity in the past.

When will the FAA finally crack down hard on Pinnacle? Yes, the Colgan accident belongs to Colgan, however, just as Skywest has a hand in ASA, Pinnacle has a hand in Colgan and is just as responsible.

 

[Sig]

Stick pusher training is not part of any program I have seen. I've had it demoed for me in the sim because I wanted to see what it looked like, but not a part of required training.

A rather prescient bit of "show me this," huh?

The upgrade program at PDT doesn't include it... because the -100 sim in CLT doesn't have a pusher. However, when we were going gangbusters and renting sim time elsewhere, if the sim was a -300 (SEA), you saw a fluke push (not due to a stall). From the folks who saw it, it was a mad scramble to hang on and remember where that danged shutoff switch was.

Every one of them had the same initial reaction.... and take a wild guess what that was.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

A rather prescient bit of "show me this," huh?

The upgrade program at PDT doesn't include it... because the -100 sim in CLT doesn't have a pusher. However, when we were going gangbusters and renting sim time elsewhere, if the sim was a -300 (SEA), you saw a fluke push (not due to a stall). From the folks who saw it, it was a mad scramble to hang on and remember where that danged shutoff switch was.

Every one of them had the same initial reaction.... and take a wild guess what that was.

Well put Sig. It is about muscle memory in cases like that. I would be hard pressed to find the S/O switch as little as I fly the 300. This really ought to be trained.

FYI... 2 airlines, 3 airplanes with pushers. I have never trained a pusher event.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Well, Colgan has hull/liability through Delta's aircraft insurance co. Suits will probably be made against CO, FAA, Bombardier, Flight Safety, the Pilots estates, New York Port Authority, Buffalo Airport Authority, Alaska/Fedex/Ups (all mentioned in the CVR), the manufacturer of the stick shaker, pusher, ice itself, ALPA, Allah, Yahweh, Dali Lama, God, etc.

Sounds like you have a good future in suing the planet.

 

[G-force]

RE: SUING the FAA!!

The FAA can't be sued.

Yes Erlanger dude, they can be sued!!
It has happened before!!

Yes,Colgan probably is toast!!!

 

[30West]

Yes Erlanger dude, they can be sued!!
It has happened before!!

Yes,Colgan probably is toast!!!

And the sky is falling! Global warming! Everybody panic! Sheesh.

 

[satpak77]

The FAA can't be sued.

I guess your legal education is more than mine. Can't be sued? Tell that to JetBlue, Continental, American, et al and their respective well backed legal departments.

http://www.avvo.com/news/seven-airlines-file-lawsuit-against-faa-109.html

Be careful on the Bar Exam, tort law is a topic. You might brush up on it.