Is Beechjet a POS?

[h25b]

I could not disagree more. We are on our second 400A and they both have been great airplanes. Passengers love them. Ours has been very reliable. Even our Diamond that we had before the Beechjets was very reliable. Though underpowered.

I have a hard time getting over the whole more than 3-4 people not being able to take full fuel thing...

Our 31a can take take full fuel and still have around 2000 lbs. of payload available.

 

[Geronimo4497]

Our 31a can take take full fuel and still have around 2000 lbs. of payload available.

But how far can you get on that much fuel? BOS-MIA?

 

[h25b]

But how far can you get on that much fuel? BOS-MIA?

Due to the fact that you're kept down low forever coming out of Boston, probably not.

 

[Geronimo4497]

BGR - PBI in the Pilatus, non stop. Beat that! I'm just starting to get feeling back in my legs!

 

[FlyFlyFly]

Based on these posts, I guess we really need an airplane with a 2500 mile range, stand up cabin, baggage room for a three ring circus and space shuttle performance on a 100 degree day in Denver. I would bet that for about 150 to 200 million someone could build it, but most people in the market for a light jet want to spend 5mm or less.

I guess every airplane makes a series of trade-offs to reach a reasonable blend of payload, range, performance and price. As pilots, we want nothing short of perfection across all categories. I m no exception, but to get some perspective, go dig the numbers on an old Lear 24 out, or a Citation I. Makes the current generation of light jeats seem a bit more capable.

 

[capt_zman]

They have already built it, it's called a Gulfstream!!

 

[CheeseDick]

The Mitsubishi Diamond 1A+ that I fly is worse. But the weight problem isn't there.

 

[400A]

I have a hard time getting over the whole more than 3-4 people not being able to take full fuel thing...

Our 31a can take take full fuel and still have around 2000 lbs. of payload available.

And you private non curtain lav enclosure is where? and you can load how many bags outside the cabin? Not to mention being able to move in the cabin. Current production?

I would hardly say that not being able to take full pax and full fuel makes it a POS.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

BGR - PBI in the Pilatus, non stop. Beat that! I'm just starting to get feeling back in my legs!

Several years ago during one of my post furlough jobs I did RIC to John Wayne with one stop in texas for gas in a 12........9 hours 52 minutes flght time......single pilot.......NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!

 

[h25b]

And you private non curtain lav enclosure is where? and you can load how many bags outside the cabin? Not to mention being able to move in the cabin. Current production?

I would hardly say that not being able to take full pax and full fuel makes it a POS.

I'll give it to you on the no lav deal... Being a current production model has had no bearing as yet to DOC or parts availability and as for cabin room we just flew some people that own a Beechjet a few weeks ago and they were more impressed with our cabin...

But on the side of weight limited, Geez... We're not talking about a small deal like only being able to take 5-6 when you need full fuel. I can't imagine telling our boss, "well sir, to make range we can only take you and 1 or 2 of your best friends... Sorry."

The Beechjet sorely misses a single point refueling system, especially considering where you have to fuel the aux. tank from. Really makes you popular with line service....

 

[Geronimo4497]

Just had one of the owners do Bedford MA to Sedona AZ with a stop in STL. Thankfully we did a crew swap in STL but the flight time was still over 10 total with these winter winds. On the back side of the clock to boot! Fun trip, but I can't imagine doing it single pilot. Kudos to you!!

 

[NYYfan]

the company i used to work for got a 400 about 6 months ago.. they love the thing and yes line personnel hate fueling the aux tank.. its worst on the mu300 and the 400 than on the 400a

 

[Geronimo4497]

The first 200 gallons are fine, it's the top off that sucks. Add 2 gallons........wait.......Add 2 gallons........wait.......Add 2 gallons........wait.......repeat until covered with fuel. :laugh:

 

[NYYfan]

The first 200 gallons are fine, it's the top off that sucks. Add 2 gallons........wait.......Add 2 gallons........wait.......Add 2 gallons........wait.......repeat until covered with fuel. :laugh:

you cant say u didnt have fun

 

[SabreFlyR]

the company i used to work for got a 400 about 6 months ago.. they love the thing and yes line personnel hate fueling the aux tank.. its worst on the mu300 and the 400 than on the 400a

With a little planning and if it's got the mod, simply pump the fuel from the left wing into the fuselage and the line guys will love it. Works for me about 90% of the time.

It's dealing with the prist cans south of the border that makes it a real pain in the a#$