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So the answer in No, GL does not know a single SWA pilot who left for Mother Delta but we all know plenty who left Mother Delta for SWA.
 
AT had a couple guys take the AA recall this last month. Not quite the same as going to the bottom of the list but probably pretty close.
 
So, "F" AT and SWA. Wait for Legacies to hire? Move up rapidly based on huge retirements? Not a bad idea I suppose.
 
It's the circle of life. We had quite a few leave Delta in the '08-'09 timeframe.

I'm sure there will be some that go the other way going forward. I've heard rumors of some looking to Fedex when it's available too. To each their own.
 
By "SQUARE 1", do you mean being at the bottom of a seniority list at another company ? Just like they are now at SWA.

Just like many AirTran guys that came over before the acquisition, they started at the bottom of the list. There were also a few hundred with applications on file who were ready to start at the bottom, but now it seems like they were wronged.
 
So 2300 pilots are going to jump ship and leave a 150,000 dollar a year job on the table to go back on the bottom of the list with another carrier.

Proof positive. You can't be a pilot for Delta.

Wow, you guys are defensive. I think a HUGE amount of AT guys will try to jump ship, and the bottom 400 SWA guys that were placed below the AT guys. Also, there were plenty of SWA guys who left before 9-11. As far as how many have been hired since the DL/NW merger, I don't personally know any (only 300 pilots have been hired since the merger, and a lot were flow ups from Compass and Mesaba). Since then though, you guys have had a rough merger and even SWA guys are saying stagnation is a possibility. Sooooooooooooo, there is a great chance you will lose some people. Money aint everything, and a few years at a legacy (thanks to higher pay scales) can get you close to $150K (including DC fund contribution), but better QOL due to HUGE retirement numbers, something you lack. Thanks for being civil......


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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It's the circle of life. We had quite a few leave Delta in the '08-'09 timeframe.

I'm sure there will be some that go the other way going forward. I've heard rumors of some looking to Fedex when it's available too. To each their own.


Good post Red. I agree, and that is all I was stating. Many junior guys will be looking around at other options if they think they might sit stagnate for a long time.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
So the answer in No, GL does not know a single SWA pilot who left for Mother Delta but we all know plenty who left Mother Delta for SWA.

And some of them, now stagnate at SWA, may wish they had not. There are years coming up here that have 700 plus people leaving due to age 65. Can you imagine how many upgrades that would provide, and how many airplanes you could leap frog up as an FO or Capt? And that isn't just one year, but several in a row. Being former DL, I bet you want to take a look. But, if you are happy where you are now Roughneck, then good for you.


This from the "other" website:

Mandatory retirements:
2013 - 56
2014 - 121
2015 - 169
2016 - 225
2017 - 286
2018 - 415
2019 - 513
2020 - 602
2021 - 789
2022 - 851
2023 - 809
2024 - 805
2025 - 713
2026 - 610
2027 - 514



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GL is right. I know several SWA F/Os that want to leave for DL. I also know a F/O that left DL for SWA and now says it was his worst lifetime career move.
 
Is the SWA training department able to train 97 new hires a month, in addition to fulfilling the normal monthly PC, PT and upgrade requirements ? Has this ever been done before at SWA ?

Read the last two lines of the memo again. 717 MCO base expected to stay open until 2014. ATL 737 (AT partition side) open until all airplanes converted. They are going to get this done on their timetable. The term I've heard used is "level best to get it done by 2015". I think Thanksgiving 2015 the lightswitch will go out on AT. Those last few months are going to suck for marketing, no matter when they decide to pull the plug.
 
Wow, you guys are defensive.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Being defensive? Just back to your flamebait crap.

Why don't you just take off again. It was nice till you showed your head again.

Sure. 2300 pilots are going to leave. Because Deltas history is so secure.
 
Being defensive? Just back to your flamebait crap.

Why don't you just take off again. It was nice till you showed your head again.

Sure. 2300 pilots are going to leave. Because Deltas history is so secure.

Say what? That wasn't flame bait, it was a response to someone saying I didn't work at my company. I certainly am not a pushover, but I am trying to get along with everyone again. And there you go putting down DL, implying it isn't secure. Thanks to consolidation and new fees, both of which you are also doing, big airlines are becoming a lot more secure, which is good for all of us. But for some reason you are mad, even though many on here are stating your company will be stagnate for awhile. Get mad and defensive with them too while you're at it.....



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
DL guys seem happier, maybe things are working out over there...AA guys not so much...


unless they're getting a hummer every time they walk in the door, I cant imagine how they'd be happy with far less money unless they like long haul and wearing double breasted jackets and hats...lookin all official and important to all the distinguished travelers they fly .
 
unless they're getting a hummer every time they walk in the door, I cant imagine how they'd be happy with far less money unless they like long haul and wearing double breasted jackets and hats...lookin all official and important to all the distinguished travelers they fly .

So wait, are you offering? No thanks, I'm happily married. Have a great day!



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Being defensive? Just back to your flamebait crap.

I have to agree with GL. I see no bait in his posts. If I was a junior FO, especially on the AT side, living in the Atlanta area and looking at a west coast commute for several years, you're darn straight I'd be looking at Delta.
Cold hard facts is we are looking at 15+ year upgrades at this point. I would not blame any FO for making the jump.
 
AT FO here....91% seniority on the combined list. I live in ATL. I look to retire at #600 on the combined list flying a 737max to the South America/Caribbean. I will be working for a company that has not failed in 40+ years through 9/11, Wars, oil shocks, multiple stock market crashes and Jimmy Carter. It is run by airline people.....the only airline I know of that can claim that. I might have to commute for a little while in the beginning, that's OK. The pay is there, the job security is there, the QOL is there IMO, and the intangibles are there. You guys are also looking at the industry at a point in time....IMO. Delta is on a bit of a high while SWA is at somewhat of a low point in their cycle...only one way to go. I think I will take my "chances" with SWA on 6 year pay than at Delta on first year pay.
 

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