Is $10K enough for the Former America West pilots?

[vetrider]

This MOU sucks. For most west pilots, anything gained will be subsequently negated or worse with what sucks about the MOU. I think DP will have retroactively gotten himself some flexibility he doesn't have with the current transition agreement.

This deal if it happens will take awhile to put together, and in the meantime DP will enjoy his newfound flexibility and west pilots will suffer. That 10 grand won't even cover just what I figure I'll lose with the MOU, to say nothing of the last 7 years or so.

 

[LearLove]

Can you give us some examples of what they said?


Bye Bye---General Lee

First CA - "I don't care about this company, career or you. All I care about is me and I will retire in 3 years."

Said this guy at the end of a 3 day trip where he pissed off all 3 FA's before we even left the gate on day 1 - and he is married to an FA. And I had to apologize to the 2 NY jumpseaters for the way he behaved and treated them on day 2.
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Second CA - "the company offered 10K to give up scope protections"

ME - "well OK if you think I can live off 10K for the rest of my life or until I find a new career"

Second CA - "why is that"

ME - (we are parked on B concourse in PHL) "Look to your left, look to your right. What type of aircraft is that on both sides of us"

Second CA - "Republic RJ"

ME - "that is where my job will be along with about the bottom 20% of the AWA/AAA/AMR pilots' jobs"

Second CA - "well it must be important to the company if they are willing to pay each pilot 10K. Maybe we should ask for 50K each"

at this point I left the cockpit to do the walk around as I wasn't going to continue the conversation any further.

Note: I didn't start either of the conversations from above. And these 2 are not representative of any of the other CA's I've flown with on the 190 or 737 from 2008 to date (well except for one other but that guy was smart enough to shut his pie hole when he realized how junior I was and we still had guys on furlough). It has been kind of a shocking last 2 trips to encounter guys like this. I thought guys like this were all really senior 330 guys or retired by now.

 

[LearLove]

All three PHX reps. voted no, but all eight East reps. voted yes to send this out? You East guys will jump at the first thing to get off LOA 93, what about your "GOLD STANDARD"......

if your going to sling trash why don't you tell the whole story not just the part that makes your side look good.


"THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED That the Board of Pilot Representatives recommends that the pilot group disapprove this MOU"

 

[General Lee]

Maybe it would help if you spelled it right the first time....it's Nicolau Genital.

Did I misspell the NIC award? That's what it is called. Go eat your quesadilla in the bar at MAF you dork.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[surfnfly]

Let's hope that a NO vote from the membership will send a clearer message to Team Tempe that this MOU and $10K isn't gonna cut it than just having the BPR turn it down. Sadly as Lear pointed out we have plenty here all about themselves and will take an extra dime if they could on their way out at the expense of others.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The US pilots are in a situation much more similar to what Frontier faced with Southwest that what APA faced with AA. Don't overestimate your ability to craft the outcome through emotional votes.

Nope, the only vote you can make, once you fully realize the irreparable harm done by USAPA, is YES. The east pilots are 100% to blame for all US pilots being in this weak position and should be reminded of it perpetually.

 

[vetrider]

The US pilots are in a situation much more similar to what Frontier faced with Southwest that what APA faced with AA. Don't overestimate your ability to craft the outcome through emotional votes.

Nope, the only vote you can make, once you fully realize the irreparable harm done by USAPA, is YES. The east pilots are 100% to blame for all US pilots being in this weak position and should be reminded of it perpetually.

I'm under no illusion of getting another mou at all if it's voted down, much less a better one. I think status quo until we are wards of the APA(if this deal happens at all) is better for us.

Under this mou a certain percentage will get the good out of it without shooting themselves in the foot, not so for the rest of us. All this mou does is give LCC more flexibility, to our detriment, than it currently has.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I'm under no illusion of getting another mou at all if it's voted down, much less a better one. I think status quo until we are wards of the APA(if this deal happens at all) is better for us.

Under this mou a certain percentage will get the good out of it without shooting themselves in the foot, not so for the rest of us. All this mou does is give LCC more flexibility, to our detriment, than it currently has.

So you'll trade the better of two lousy outcomes for a chance to pound your chest and say "See, we can vote No, too!"

 

[Carl S.]

Let my Daddy vote, let my Daddy vote..... Is this why the East reps. let this turd out to vote with a no approval? CoC for 10k.... No Gold Standard of DOH as item number one???? Looks like money talks and the AFO club is losing their base....West is the swing vote and I am leaning towards no just so LOA 93 rates burn some more....Karma or something close to it.

 

[fam62c]

If Parker wants a merger bad enough you should be able to get a no furlough agreement for all the groups. Also, it's not about 10K, the wage improvements should add up to a lot more than that. Get a new deal, get the merger done, put in fences so nobody goes backwards, sit back and watch the massive retirements at East and American move everybody up the list quickly. The other option is to just say no to everything forever and get nothing. If you do this you won't have to worry about scope, it will be other airlines that take your flying and put your company out of business, the best scope clause in the world can't stop your competitors because they don't have to play by your rules. The USAirways East pilots certainly know that by now.

If this merger is done correctly the combined carrier can be one of the powerhouses of the industry and provide a good future for the pilots. Realistically, given their hub structure and the competitive environment what kind of future does Airways have on it's own competing against giants?