IPA on UPS Hiring Plans

[767-300ER]

"The EB was encouraged with the recent announcement concerning hiring
at UPS. The hiring of 100 additional crewmembers is a good beginning
in shrinking the current staffing shortage that is affecting our
schedules which in turn affects the health and safety of our
crewmembers. You should anticipate future hiring announcements as UPS
reacts to their international expansion due to forecasted retirements,
the increase routes that have been awarded to UPS, aircraft that are
due for delivery and the recent purchase of a company that has
contracts for international flights."

 

[Rhoid]

"The EB was encouraged with the recent announcement concerning hiring
at UPS. The hiring of 100 additional crewmembers is a good beginning
in shrinking the current staffing shortage that is affecting our
schedules which in turn affects the health and safety of our
crewmembers. You should anticipate future hiring announcements as UPS
reacts to their international expansion due to forecasted retirements,
the increase routes that have been awarded to UPS, aircraft that are
due for delivery and the recent purchase of a company that has
contracts for international flights."

The last part of the above post makes one think that the IPA EB thinks they will be doing the flying out of DAY.

 

[BIGBROWNDC8]

Hey Rhoid, you may be on to something there...

 

[Rhoid]

Hey Rhoid, you may be on to something there...

I hope I am right! I want the IPA to crew all the flying on the former Menlo operation, that way there will be more positions available for me at UPS in the future!

My contact at UPS says that he's been hearing rumors of bringing some 727s out of storage and that the 747-400 will be announced soon as the new long range freighter, what have you line pilots heard?

 

[sgu]

I hope I am right! I want the IPA to crew all the flying on the former Menlo operation, that way there will be more positions available for me at UPS in the future!

My contact at UPS says that he's been hearing rumors of bringing some 727s out of storage and that the 747-400 will be announced soon as the new long range freighter, what have you line pilots heard?

Keep bringing the good rumors!

 

[BIGBROWNDC8]

Actually Rhoid, I have heard the same thing. 747-400 for the new long range A/C, I had also heard the A380, but more realistically is the 400. Were pulling some DC-8's out of the desert and I also heard tonight from a buddy that a couple 727 will be coming out as well...


As far as the Menlo thing. I think it sucks that guys might loose thier jobs but it was a buy out and hopefully it will translate into more UPS pilot positionings opening... We'll more than the 100 already announced...

BIGBROWNDC8

 

[BonesF15]

Anyone know how many folks are still swimming?

 

[neil armstrong]

Any truth in the rumour that the UPS operation in Europe has to be flown by European pilots in the near futher?

Did hear a rumour that more Danish reg. 757 will be added tot the UPS fleet

Neil

 

[afpa]

Question for any current UPS folks or military types about the UPS application:

How do they want your PIC time broken out from your military rip? I know it says 1000 PIC, but as we all know leave it to the military to complicate things, is that A code time or all time since you made aircraft commander or are folks taking a percentage of their time since they made aircraft commander? Thanks to all replies and good luck to everybody.

 

[Capt TedStriker]

How does UPS handle PIC???

AFPA et al,

I know it doesn't seem right but it is done by FAR 61.51.... Manipulator of the controls... Should help you... I got confimation on this at Airinc Job Fair and when they sent me a flight time summary (pre-interview paperwork) it stated 61.51 below the flight time grid....

Best of luck.

Striker

 

[Peanut gallery]

Not so sure how this will go

While I can certainly feel for the contractors out of DAY, and can certainly see the position of the IPA. MENLO is currently negotiating and signing contracts with their lift providers for as long as five years, with substancial penalties for early termination. I have knowledge of this from my side business in the aircraft leasing business. Several aircraft are coming out of the desert specifically aimed at providing lift to MENLO by contract carriers. Some are going through substancial heavy checks that are amortized over the 5 year term. While a lot of people are very sure of how this will go, I am not so sure based on the contracts and legal documents that I have seen. Specifically the MENLO Holdings company and their position relative to exclusive lift provisions.

 

[afpa]

Striker

Thanks for the reply, does that mean only sole manipulator after qual as an aircraft commander, or does that include all time logged as primary since qual as a co pilot? I've got to blow the dust of my FAR/AIM! Thanks for the help. I think the FAR says IP time can all be counted as PIC as well, does that ring a bell?

 

[Capt TedStriker]

UPS PIC - Further Details

AFPA,

All "sole-manipulator" time after initial check-out as CP counts as PIC. As far as IP goes... No Idea...

Better get your FARS out before the interview... It might be directly related to your success at the interview... <BG>

 

[afpa]

Striker,

Thanks again, yeah believe me the cramming has begun! I may not sleep for the next year but I'll be ready if that phone rings. Thanks for the help.

 

[FearlessFreep]

I'll tell you how it will work out with the contractors and their 5 year contracts with Menlo. UPS bought Menlo and they take on the liability of those contracts along with that purchase (most probably).

UPS will utilize their corp of lawyers and just litigate the contractors till it all goes away. The lawyers will win again!


That is of course if they don't operate it as a seperate non-union entity, with a different holding company. (Someone else suggested that this was the case on another thread regarding this acquisition). If that is the case then the IPA lawyers, UPS lawyers and the abitrator (that's probably in the back pocket of UPS) will then argue/arbitrate/litigate that issue into oblivion.

This of course is all in jest.

 

[EMB_driver2002]

Any of you UPS guys out there know if a LOR from a non-pilot is beneficial at all, or are LOR’s from pilots the only thing that will further your cause? I have one from a pilot I flew with in a previous life, but I do have some non pilot friends at UPS too…thx

 

[Clyde]

Any of you UPS guys out there know if a LOR from a non-pilot is beneficial at all, or are LOR’s from pilots the only thing that will further your cause? I have one from a pilot I flew with in a previous life, but I do have some non pilot friends at UPS too…thx

I can't say with any absolute certainty if they will or not, but I would bet that they couldn't hurt. If your friends are in management, that would probably be a big plus for you.

 

[Rhoid]

I'll tell you how it will work out with the contractors and their 5 year contracts with Menlo. UPS bought Menlo and they take on the liability of those contracts along with that purchase (most probably).

UPS will utilize their corp of lawyers and just litigate the contractors till it all goes away. The lawyers will win again!


That is of course if they don't operate it as a seperate non-union entity, with a different holding company. (Someone else suggested that this was the case on another thread regarding this acquisition). If that is the case then the IPA lawyers, UPS lawyers and the abitrator (that's probably in the back pocket of UPS) will then argue/arbitrate/litigate that issue into oblivion.

This of course is all in jest.

Once again an exerpt from the UPS contract:

It is agreed that all present and future domestic flying on


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aircraft with a payload weight of more than 12,899 lbs.​

including but not limited to, revenue flying, ferry flights,​

charters, training flights, test flights, or other utilization of​

Company owned or leased aircraft in and for the service of the​

Company, or any affiliate of the Company, shall be performed​

by crewmembers on the United Parcel Service Crewmember​

Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of​

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this Agreement or any other applicable agreement between the


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Company and the Association, except as otherwise provided in​

this Agreement.​

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Freep, you may be on to something, If I remember correctly UPS did say that they were going to take on $110 million in Menlo liabilities. I'm curious how much of that is buying out any of the contractors contracts? E​

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ven if UPS decides to operate it as a seperate entity it is still an affiliate of UPS ( according to UPS, they are going to market the business as UPS branded freight ) and therefore will be crewed by IPA crewmembers.​

Seems like you contractors betting be applying with UPS if you want to continue to fly the DAY system in the future. Don't worry too much about further job oppurtunities, the contractors have always been around and will still be around in the future, they will just find someone elses freight to carry. Maybe they can bid on future DHL contracts, since both ABX and Astar are pretty much now at the mercy of DHL on route assignments, and everyone knows that your cost structure is light years lower than theirs.

 

[FearlessFreep]

What, Rhoid? You not in class at UPS yet?

If you are such a shoo-in to get hired there then stop jaw-jacking about it and get to work! I will be waiting for your report on the interview process (but then you are so well connected you don't need an interview, right?) and the breakdown of who is in your class. I want to see this at the start of the next class, OK? Thanks, I know all the rest of us will be grateful for your inside information. I mean after all it sounds to me like you just know EVERYTHING that is going on there!

Please enough of the anti-contractor rhetoric, with the lightly veiled insincere sympathy. We already know by now how you stand on this issue.

Since your at UPS already, just go back to class, stick your head into your books or computer or whatever else that they use there in the UPS training department. I would think that you would be too busy with your studying to still be perusing this board, or maybe that should be "bored".

FYI, I am not currently employed by a Menlo contract company. I just know a fair amount of people that are.

My speculation on the UPS/Menlo issues isn't a revelation it is just standard SOP used by all the Mega-Corporations out there. I was just restating the very obvious. Remember that when whatever union your a member in goes head to head with one of them.

Become a attorney, they always win in the end, even when they lose.

Take Care & Good Luck To Us All!