International Operations

[G4G5]

And the correct answer is 6 months - just in case they come back at you and accuse you of a GNE (gross navigational error).

I just keep my planning chart and what ever else I happend to scribble notes, times, fixes, etc. At the end of 6 months you can toss it.

'Sled

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/examiners_inspectors/8700/volume2/media/2_223_00.pdf

I read the entire document and no where does it make reference to 6 months. Do you have a reference other then your notes?

 

[xcrew]

What were your favorite meals? Poulet d' Carl? TC

The hot lobster appetizer over pasta eastbound and the second service out of Frankfurt westbound. Pretzles, four types of sausages and sauerkraut with spicy mustard! Uuuummmmm!:nuts:


xcrew

 

[thatpilotguy]

The time it takes to get the info from the oceanic controlling agencies back to the FAA makes sense. If there isn't any hard numbers any where I'll go with 6 months. Better to have the info and not need it, then need it and not have it.

On the catering note, I use to make frequent stops in Keflavik, Iceland on our way back to the U.S. from Europe. I know, I know...but I was young and willing to sit in the front of a Lear 36 for hours on end...in anycase the catering out of Keflavik was great. Almost always fresh seafood, topped with caviar (sp?) Doesn't really complete with roast duck, but I wanted to put in my 2 cents!

 

[banned username 2]

Pretzles, four types of sausages and sauerkraut with spicy mustard! Uuuummmmm!:nuts:

Don't forget a nice stein of Weihenstephaner! The best bier in München! (Well Friesing, but close enough!)

 

[Lead Sled]

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/examiners_inspectors/8700/volume2/media/2_223_00.pdf

I read the entire document and no where does it make reference to 6 months. Do you have a reference other then your notes?

Actually, I don't - other than, as you said, my notes. The 6 month reference has repeatedly come up during my various initial & recurrent IP courses as well as during the 5 or 6 NBAA IOCs that I've attended. (And of course, I've always just assumed... :0 ) Where's JAFI when we need him?

Personally, 6 months works for me. When I get back from a trip, I simply throw all of my planning and trip documents into a manilla envelope and print a date on it with a felt-tip. The envelope goes into a file and perodically (whenever I remember, feel like it, etc.) I go through it and toss the "stale" envelopes.

'Sled

 

[G100driver]

Actually, I don't - other than, as you said, my notes. The 6 month reference has repeatedly come up during my various initial & recurrent IP courses as well as during the 5 or 6 NBAA IOCs that I've attended. (And of course, I've always just assumed... :0 )
'Sled

Likewise ... my envelopes say to destroy 6 months after flight and I cannot find the reference other than my class notes form ATI:0

 

[501261]

Don't forget a nice stein of Weihenstephaner! The best bier in München! (Well Friesing, but close enough!)

Wow, I learned something new today.

I'd never heard of Weihenstephaner before, as it's not one of Munich's "7" original breweries, but according to my independent source it really is the world's oldest brewery (still in existance) and he also says it's a great beer!

He also tells me Weihenstephaner has a "dairy processing" (molkerie) plant, and they make some great cheese and butter.

 

[G100driver]

Wow, I learned something new today.

I'd never heard of Weihenstephaner before, as it's not one of Munich's "7" original breweries, but according to my independent source it really is the world's oldest brewery (still in existance) and he also says it's a great beer!

He also tells me Weihenstephaner has a "dairy processing" (molkerie) plant, and they make some great cheese and butter.

Probably beats drinking at the Haubrauhous with a bunch of authentic Japanesse wearing leederhosen!

 

[banned username 2]

Wow, I learned something new today.

I'd never heard of Weihenstephaner before, as it's not one of Munich's "7" original breweries, but according to my independent source it really is the world's oldest brewery (still in existance) and he also says it's a great beer!

And they also have it on tap at the Munich Airport Marriott (which isn't on the airport), but is right in Friesing...

 

[mike1mc]

Here is what I found in our Ops Manual:

Article 34 of the ICAO Treaty requires that each aircraft involved in international
aviation carry a Journey Logbook. The logbook must contain the following:
1. Aircraft information including registration and type.
2. Crew information including names, positions, etc.
3. Departure and arrival points, including dates and times.
4. Nature of the flight (private, scheduled, non-scheduled, etc.).
5. Any unusual circumstances concerning the flight.
​

The need for a Journey Logbook is primarily driven by Customs requirements. Within the European community, for example, where an aircraft may only operate for 185 days a year without paying import duties, it is used to verify compliance with this restriction. The Journey Logbook must be kept on board the aircraft and should include records of the previous 12 months flight activities. The journey log requirements can be met from entries drawn from:

1. The ICAO flight plan.
2. The Navigation Log.
3. The Aircraft Flight and Maintenance Log.
4. Flight Manifests.​

 

[Check 6]

Eurocontrol keeps elaborate records on computer of all IFR aircraft movements now so this 185 day "paper trail" may not be necessary. I know they have the complete records because they hounded us weekly to pay their fees

Ironically we operated 3 N- registered Lear 35s out of Italy from October 1999 through January 2006 and never imported them, though importation is easy and inexpensive through the handler at Luton.

 

[G100driver]

Ironically we operated 3 N- registered Lear 35s out of Italy from October 1999 through January 2006 and never imported them, though importation is easy and inexpensive through the handler at Luton.

Did you carry EU members within the EU is the real question. This is how you can be "busted" and required to pay the VAT.

 

[Check 6]

Yes we did, but they were always EU member state government officials, so it did not become an issue. All crewmembers also had Italian immigration documents that allowed us to be employed in the EU.

We were the exception to the rule, i.e. no cabotage issues.

 

[AA717driver]

The hot lobster appetizer over pasta eastbound and the second service out of Frankfurt westbound. Pretzles, four types of sausages and sauerkraut with spicy mustard! Uuuummmmm!:nuts:


xcrew

Ok, dude, you've got street cred w/me. I got those sausages out of AMS (which is my favorite layover of all time--did it with Goede a lot).

Your total time is too low to be a pilot, you an FA or just lowballing your TT?

In any event, you've BTDT. TC

 

[xcrew]

In any event, you've BTDT. TC

????????

Let's just say, I probably wasn't in the running for the "high time of the month" trophy!:beer:

The less hours actually flown, the higher the "effective" hourly rate.