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General Lee

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Finding the right fit

Smaller jets lift profits, but have airlines overindulged?


09:19 AM CDT on Saturday, June 5, 2004


By ERIC TORBENSON / The Dallas Morning News



A decade ago, the 50-seat regional jet started an industry revolution.

Faster than the noisy turboprop planes they replaced, regional jets allowed airlines to profitably serve markets they couldn't touch before.

Major airlines fly about 800 50-seat regional jets today, or about a third of all their planes. More are coming each month.

New discount carrier Independence Air has staked its identity around a fleet of 87 50-seaters, dubbing them "I-jets."

"They're great aircraft, and they're capable of handling the range of flying for most of the markets we want to serve," said Lisa Bailey, a spokeswoman for the AMR Corp.'s American Eagle unit.

But some analysts and consultants are starting to ask whether domestic carriers have indulged in too much of a good thing.

"It can be a long haul in a small tube," said Stuart Klaskin, an aviation consultant with Klaskin Kushner & Co. in Miami, a self-described "big guy."

Part of the problem is how major carriers have used the 50-seaters.

Fliers in small towns who were accustomed to traveling in turboprops welcomed the sleek-looking jets that replaced them.

But lately, major airlines have substituted 70-seat and 50-seat regional jets for larger planes serving big markets.

Some say their welcome has been worn out.

"They're like the antibiotics of the airline industry," Mr. Klaskin said. "They're good for its economic health, but they've been dangerously overprescribed. And passengers have developed an immunity to them, to some degree."


No resale value?

For the most part, regional jets have been flown by regional affiliate airlines. American Eagle, for example, provides feeder service for Fort Worth-based American Airlines Inc. Its 50-seat jets are Eagle's most profitable planes.

Independence Air, meanwhile, represents the reinvention of Atlantic Coast Airlines, which was unable to renegotiate an existing agreement to fly regional jets for United Airlines Inc. It launches June 16 from Washington Dulles International Airport.

"ACA has the right idea because they know there's no future in flying 50-seaters for United," said Michael Boyd, an aviation consultant in Evergreen, Colo.

Once the darling of fleet planners everywhere, 50-seat regional jets face an uncertain future as assets for airlines, said Mr. Boyd, who thinks major carriers have bought far too many of the planes.

"There's not going to be any aftermarket for 50-seaters in a few years," he predicted. "They're not going to be able to sell them."

In a sign of the glut of 50-seaters, Mr. Boyd said, United had no problem immediately replacing the 87 planes that will now fly the Independence livery with other aircraft from other regional carriers hungry for business.

As with any start-up airline, Independence Air faces steep odds to stay aloft for long, analysts said.


New math

Part of the challenge, analysts say, is that the math behind the regional jet business has changed.

The regional jet, built primarily by Bombardier Inc. of Canada and Embraer of Brazil, gave airlines a new way to serve "thin" markets that didn't have enough people to profitably fill standard jets with 120 or more seats.

What's different is the same issue that bedevils airlines on virtually every front: Travelers aren't willing to pay as much to fly as they did in the mid- to late 1990s, said Bob Mann, an industry consultant.

Airlines make most of their money from business travelers who may pay up to four or five times more on the same flights than vacationers who book further in advance. It's those business fares that carriers crave.

Until recently, airlines have relied on smaller regional jets to boost average fares on a flight.

For example, if a flight has 30 passengers paying higher fares, that would account for 25 percent of the seats on a 120-seat plane, but 60 percent of those on a 50-seater.

The problem is that with far fewer business fliers paying top dollar, it's harder for an airline to fill a regional jet with high-fare passengers.

Some discounters have already stepped back from relying on regional jets. Orlando-based AirTran Airways Corp. quietly ended its regional jet partnerships this year. Officials at America West Airlines have said they have too many regional jets.

At the big network carriers, many travelers are reluctant to shell out a four-figure fare for what can be a cramped flight without a first-class cabin.

Mr. Boyd half-jokingly says flying in a regional jet for three hours is a "recipe for DVT" – deep vein thrombosis, in which blood clots form due to tight conditions. Few trips on regional jets are very long, but the average flight time has been increasing.

Also, without the higher fares, smaller jets can't overcome the higher costs borne from having fewer seats than mainline jets.

The fare meltdown especially hurts the economics of high-cost 50-seaters.

Independence Air faces the daunting prospect of flying at a cost of 16 cents per seat mile, while earning only about 10 cents, analysts say. A seat mile, a standard industry measure, represents one seat flown one mile.


Key market

Independence Air is expected to burn through cash for quite some time. The upstart carrier's salvation may come when the first of its 27 Airbus A319s arrive this fall. Those planes will have lower per-seat costs because they'll have 130 seats instead of 50.

The carrier intends to fly them initially to the West Coast. As more of the Airbus jets arrive, Independence will consider Houston and Dallas/Fort Worth as destinations, said Rick DeLisi, an airline spokesman.

"We definitely expect that Texas and the upper Midwest are possibilities for us," he said.

Although regional jets may have lost some allure with high-dollar fliers, they're still the best solution for serving smaller cities.

Airlines continue to receive new jets every month. Most large hubs wouldn't work without the stream of passengers from regional jets.

Research from Citigroup's Smith Barney unit shows that regional jets will account for nearly three-quarters of the fleets of both Continental Airlines Inc. and Delta Air Lines Inc. by 2005 and 59 percent of United's.

At struggling US Airways Corp., regional jets are seen as the centerpiece of a turnaround effort, as the carrier struggles to fight off low-fare competitors such as Dallas-based Southwest Airlines Co.

Delta depends on regional jets more than any other traditional carrier. It reconfigured nearly all its hub airports, including its 180-flight-per-day hub at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport.

The small jets have replaced most of Delta's large planes serving D/FW. By offering more flights a day on regional jets, Delta aims to attract high-dollar business travelers.

Delta executives say they're encouraged by the changes at D/FW, but they're not finished tinkering.

Some expect Delta to dump the hub as it rethinks its business plan in an attempt to avoid bankruptcy.

"We've improved our financial performance compared to what it was before, but we still have some work to do at D/FW," said Peggy Estes, a Delta spokeswoman.

American Eagle has been expanding its schedule, mostly using regional jets, by at least 20 percent annually. Its fleet of 158 regional jets continues to grow as AMR tries to catch up to Delta and others in deploying the planes.

American officials concede they trail competitors in using regional jets to boost their hubs, accounting for just 34 percent of AMR's total aircraft fleet this year, according to Smith Barney.

Eagle uses regional jets for other types of routes, including its shuttle service from New York's LaGuardia Airport to Boston and to Washington, D.C. Eagle executives say they like the results.

It remains unclear whether AMR will follow the lead of Continental and Northwest Airlines Inc., both of which have sold their respective regional carriers and banked hundreds of millions from the sales.

"I don't know why they don't spin off Eagle," Mr. Boyd said.

AMR chairman and chief executive Gerard Arpey said in an April interview that the company continues to weigh the merits of a possible spin-off but that it also sees benefits to keeping Eagle under its wing.


Positive attitude

At Independence Air, the carrier is determined to make it with 50-seaters, Mr. DeLisi said.

The airline won't fly any of its small jets more than two hours, and most of its flights will average just over an hour from its Dulles hub.

Independence will emphasize frequent flights on its routes to allow business fliers to get to a city and come back home the same day. The airline is installing brand-new interiors with leather seats.

"We did a lot of research asking customers about the plane, and though some did share that they didn't like it as well as others, we saw some surprisingly positive impressions of the plane in a lot of our markets," Mr. DeLisi said.

"Our feeling is that as long as the interior of the plane is comfortable and the service is excellent, we're going to do well."


Bye Bye-General Lee
 
"I don't know why they don't spin off Eagle," Mr. Boyd said.

Once again Michael Boyd opens his mouth to prove that he's an idiot!

Currently Eagle is the only thing in the AMR portfolio that's generating a profit for the corporation. For the first quarter of 2004 Eagle had an operating income of $58 million on $420 million in revenue with better then a 10% operating margin. And this "genius" can't figure out why Eagle isn't up on the auction block!

:rolleyes:
 
what about making the rj better? Add better seats move the cargo compartment back about 1 or 1/2 foot back to give pax more room? That airplane is very uncomfortable on long flights of hour and half. Haven't even taken a flight of 3 hours or more can't image...What about entertainment systems (like jet blue)?
 
Faster than the noisy turboprop planes they replaced, regional jets allowed airlines to profitably serve markets they couldn't touch before.

Obviously this guy hasn't ridden in an ERJ :eek:

It has to be the only commercial airliner where the crew wear David Clark headsets.


Typhoonpilot
 
typhoonpilot said:
Faster than the noisy turboprop planes they replaced, regional jets allowed airlines to profitably serve markets they couldn't touch before.

Obviously this guy hasn't ridden in an ERJ :eek:

It has to be the only commercial airliner where the crew wear David Clark headsets.


Typhoonpilot
No kidding, Dash and ATR guys can wear Telex 750's, and ERJ guys wear DC's....go figure
 
Smokin' something

I find a 2-3 hr ride in a CRJ-200 more comfortable than same in a 757.

2 seats per row, not 3. More leg room. Quieter cabin. Cheerful (not bitchy nor disgruntled) crew.

I'm sure revenue pax notice the same thing.
 
>That airplane is very uncomfortable on long flights of hour and half. Haven't even taken a flight of 3 hours or more...


The percentage of RJ flights over 2.5 hours is pretty low, compared to total flights. I can't imagine anything being comfortable for a ride that long. My friends who ride Delta often b!tch about MD-88s more than anything. ATL=PHX for example - 4.5 hours with absolutely no entertainment.

The only thing that makes coach in a 777 survivable is having 8 channels of movies. Coach sucks no matter what you're riding in.
 
rumorhasit said:
what about making the rj better? Add better seats move the cargo compartment back about 1 or 1/2 foot back to give pax more room? That airplane is very uncomfortable on long flights of hour and half. Haven't even taken a flight of 3 hours or more can't image...What about entertainment systems (like jet blue)?
They need to pull two rows of seats out.
 
Research from Citigroup's Smith Barney unit shows that regional jets will account for nearly three-quarters of the fleets of both Continental Airlines Inc. and Delta Air Lines Inc. by 2005 and 59 percent of United's.

Hmmm, Continentals' most recent annual report shows 355 mainline aircraft, and 224 regional jets. Firm orders include 63 more mainline aircraft and 50 more RJs. I know CAL is retiring the MD-80s, and a hundful of older 737-300s. But unless my math is wrong, they are nowhere near close to having RJs make up even half of their fleet, much less three quarters. Makes me wonder how accurate the rest of the article is. Or any aviation article for that matter.
 
Ganja,


You obviously haven't flown on a Song 757. It is ten times more comfortable than an RJ, the crews are cheery, and you get Dish Network TV that is live--with games that you can play against other people in your same row.(Trivia now, but other games later) You should try it sometime, the people I say goodbye to after each flight absolutely love it.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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