Interesting happenings over at DAL

[ATL2CDG]

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I'm not quite sure I understand your question.

Republic Holdings, the parent company of Chautauqua, is going to be operating Republic Airways under a different certificate, thereby avoiding the scope clause issue. This will be done in much the same fashion as the ACA/ACJet split dearing the early months of ACAI's contract with DCI. Chautauqua and Republic will be two seperate corporate entities, will have separate certificates and have different fleets (interestingly enough, there are all sorts of rumors about CHQ managements saying that crews will be able to transition back and forth - I'm not quite how realistic this is with different operating certificates).

Skyway is not an issue, either. Currently, they do not operate for DCI (although the buzz is they may be getting the 30 328Jets from ACA). Were they to operate for DCI, they do not operate any aircraft for Midwest Airlines greater than 70 seats, so again, no issue.

Next to American Eagle in LAX. All of the codeshare flights with the DL code are operated with AE Saab340s (well less than 70 seats) and AE has no aircraft greater than 70 seats. In all actuality, even though Delta lists the AE flights on its 'Delta Connection' carrier page in Sky, I believe the agreement with AE does not technically fall under the DCI scope clause as AE is operating under its own colors... the flights are not operated solely on behalf of DCI.

TysV

 

[Vortilon]

Man, why are you so bitter?

The pilots did not furlough us, the company did. No amount of pay concessions on their part will bring furloughs back...our old positions are related to flying airplanes, not pay rates.

The pilots signed a contract with a no furlough clause which the company has exploited to the best of their ability. No contract is perfect and this was the first no-furlough clause DAL has had. DALPA has done and (is doing) their best to defend it. The only other group with a nofurlough clause of any type was UAL and it was unfortunately renegotiated in bankruptcy to the tune of 2000+ on the street. DAL pilots pay is capped at 5 hours less than normal since we're on the street. Thats $18,000 off the top salaries, $6,000 a year off the lowest salaries.

As for COBRA being a pittance, each furloughee requires approximately $8400 a year in COBRA payments. Thats over 8.4million a year. I know you're good at math but I'll do this for you, thats over $1,000 a year from the each working pilot. Some pay less, others pay more. Technically, not all of us are on COBRA any more so the responsibilities are less for each working pilot.

To be fair and balanced, there will always be people that only look out for themselves and everyone has their reasons. I'm sure there are furloughed guys that think the senior folks should sacrifice so that we may have jobs again...there are senior folks that probably wish they could pick up more time so they can raise their earnings and have a bigger retirement but can't because of the furloughs. Thats human nature. I have no idea how connected I'll be to the plight of the most junior when I am number 30 on the list and looking forward to retirment. Just as I can't put myself in anybody else's shoes but mine right now.

You obviously have some issues with "senior" pilots so I'm probably wasting effort typing any of this. I think, though, the casual observer can see we have a strong group committed to Our Airline and Each Other.

 

[bafanguy]

DaveGriffin,

Well,Sir, it's hard to tell what stake you have in the DAL furlough situation. But, if you're a DAL furlough, I'm sure the "seniors" are really glad that, in return for their generosity given at any level, they get name calling and sarcasm in return.

The airline business ain't the Boy Scouts; welcome to the real world.

 

[DaveGriffin]

Last time I checked, it was management that furloughs pilots. ......So let's put the blame for furloughs where it belongs--on management and the market itself.

Last time I checked ALPA signed the contract which included a FM clause. It's not anyone's fault othet than the muderous al Qaeda a **holes and their supporters.

The pilots will accept the final annual hourly increase which was part of the contract. They must also accept the triggering of the FM clause and the fact that they have 1,060 furloughees to deal with.

 

[Vortilon]

The PILOTS voted for the contract....the PILOTS salaries are DECREASED when there are furloughed pilots.

To quote Dr.Evil, "You just don't get it, do you?"

We can, however, agree on the fact that those 19 hijackers were definitely ***holes

 

[Xfr8dog]

I have no idea what my last post meant. It was my buddy Cliff posting with my Avatar.... must have forgotten to log out at work....

 

[350DRIVER]

The pay concessions will not bring these 1060 back, what will is the potential growth that DAL will aquire in the near future. This is why they need to put a stop to outsourcing of mainline routes and jobs. They cannot allow the replacing of mainline equipment for the smaller RJ's on the more profitable routes or none of the furloughed guys will ever return. This pilot group is one very strong bunch and they will agree to no paycuts until the books have been fully reviewed and from those findings the cuts will be taken as needed, no immediate rush is needed. D- If I were you I surely would be pulling for these guys or you are gonna be stuck for a long long time where you are at present day, just simple reality.. .. This bleeding is not nearly as bad as some would make it out to be. There was a reason why the 300+ million was done via the bond sale a few months back. Don't count them out anytime soon...

Just remember who you are owned by....


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NEW YORK, April 29 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines (NYSEAL - News) may have to rehire 1,060 pilots laid off after the September 11, 2001 attacks at a cost of more than $100 million annually, the Wall Street Journal said on Thursday.



The move comes as a result of an arbitration panel ruling that furloughed pilots could return to their jobs should the airline see its passenger numbers return to the level Delta had before the disaster, the Journal said.

The No. 3 U.S. airline this week told its airline pilots union that the carrier had reached passenger levels that could trigger the rehiring from December 2003 through March 2004, the Journal said, citing people familiar with the matter.

Delta just barely reached the volumes that would trigger a pilot recall, the Journal said, and the pilots' union and airline may ask the panel that decided the rule for clarification on the data, the Journal said.

The pilot rehiring would cost the airline about $115 million in annual wages, excluding benefits, the Journal said.

A Delta spokesman acknowledged giving the data to the pilots' union, the Journal said, but declined to discuss the data.

A Delta representative could not be immediately reached for comment by Reuters.

 

[Rotorhead]

Re: Not quite...

Not entirely accurate. ACA signed a contract with DAL in the spring of 2000 to operate as a DelCon carrier. DALPA and DAL signed the current PWA with the said 70 seat restriction in the summer of 2001 (not 100% sure on the date, only 100% sure it was AFTER the ACA/DAL deal). ACA had no restrictions as to how it chose to operate in our CONTRACT with DAL. DAL is the one who got themselves in a bind by negotiating multiple contracts that didn't resolve........the said rules and limits were not in place for our contract with DAL.

House_X:

Don't go shaking your finger at DAL; ACA knew the rules and limits placed upon them by the mainline pilot scope clause. They elected to ignore them or face the consequences. Obviously, the consequences in this case are the loss of DCI services.

TysV

 

[ifly4food]

The rumors Spongebob started are pure flamebait.

There has been no proposal for the furloughees to fly CR700s at this time made to either the ASA nor Comair MECs.

At the very least, they would have to tell our reps that it's going to happen, even if they don't ask permission. This has not occured.

Additionally, it would require the mainline pilots to enter negotiations for a CR700 pay rate, which has also not happened.

 

[wms]

The rumors Spongebob started are pure flamebait.

There has been no proposal for the furloughees to fly CR700s at this time made to either the ASA nor Comair MECs.

At the very least, they would have to tell our reps that it's going to happen, even if they don't ask permission. This has not occured.

Additionally, it would require the mainline pilots to enter negotiations for a CR700 pay rate, which has also not happened.

The trigger has been hit, that part is not a rumor. What DAL will do with the pilots is only speculation until the actual plan is announced.

DAL can put 700s on ML, either new or existing, or put those furloughess at DCI, but I don't see that happening without some kind of merger.

No matter what happens I hope it's good for everyone, including the company. In the mean time there's no sense in waving flags on a gossip board until we know what the plan is.