Interesting day

[minitour]

did you guys not see in the video that one of the wheels was down but the other wasn't completely in place? how about landing on one wheel that's locked and spiraling once the opposite wing hit the ground?

The pilot should have learned how to do that. It should be in the Emergency checklist for the RG.

I'll chime in and say "no way" would I have done that.

But I'm a "kitty kat" so...there ya go.

-mini

 

[cforst513]

.....

 

[jafo20]

So I was always taught to retract the gear and belly land, if one of the mains didn't extend (a blown main tire doesn't require a belly landing). You're controllable, and you don't ahve to worry about breaking open your wing fuel tanks, cartwheeling, etc. Still, whether or not you approve of the actions of these guys, they recovered the aircraft without incident. When the sh-t really hits the fan, you become awfully creative before you commit to bending metal.

I guess I'm trying to say that it's easy for all of us to play monday morning quarterback. Perhaps the Cessna pilot had lots time flying tight formation, like a skydiver pilot or something? Perhaps the driver of the Jeep knew what he was doing?

If airshow pilots get away with flying their Cubs while hanging off one of the struts, we should probably cut an innovative CFI some slack.

 

[cforst513]

so here's a question on the logistics of the 737 that landed w/ one of the main gear up. how do you counteract the friction caused by that engine dragging on the ground? is the mass and momentum of that huge plane enough to keep it going in a straight line, or would it be more of trial-and-error (in the few seconds you're actually dragging the plane)? i wonder if rudder is the only thing that would be helpful in trying to keep the jet from going off the side of the runway.

 

[shamrock]

Nosewheel steering might help. Assymetrical (sp?) braking.

 

[NuGuy]

This was done one before somewhere here in Florida about 10 years ago I suspect. The guy was in a convertable and reached up and pulled the gear down with his hand...it was an Arrow...

Hi RSVM,

Yea, I remember the Arrow deal. They had a couple of guys in the back of the pickup truck. It took them 3 tries, but one of them finally grabbed the stuck main and yanked it down. They actually had some video of them doing it.

I remember a few years after that some news show (America's stupidest videos, or something like that), ran a bit on it. They tracked down all the people involved a did some interviews. The funny thing is that the CFI in the Arrow was the hardest to pin down, and it turns out he was a FO at CAL. They only way they got an interview with him was to do an "ambush" interview.

When they did, he looked totally mortified that this had resurrected itself, and he wanted to crawl under the nearest rock.

Nu

 

[Huggyu2]

We complain out insurance rates, yet many are happy to just "belly it in and let the insurance folks deal with it". If I new the players involved, and had confidence, then I'd give it a shot too. This is the third time I've seen something like this done.
And, since some of you will ask, yes, I've driven underneath an aircraft flying 10' off the runway to inspect their wheels/gear --- on more than one occasion.

The insurance company should offer their thanks in the form of a reward to these folks.

 

[shamrock]

The insurance company should offer their thanks in the form of a reward to these folks.

Reward stupidity, it's the American way!

I'd like to have some insurance people presented with the situation just to hear what they would want done. Maybe $100,000 for a totalled airplane vs. millions for the deaths that could result from a misjudgement. Other lawsuits would surely follow. Cessna for a making the airplane, Jeep for making a vehicle that can't outrun a Cessna. And don't forget the faulty rollbar that couldn't withstand a 2500 pound airplane landing on it!

"And, since some of you will ask, yes, I've driven underneath an aircraft flying 10' off the runway to inspect their wheels/gear --- on more than one occasion."

Did you also try to pull the gear down or were you just inspecting it? I would think there might be a bit more margin for error in that situation.

 

[U of I Tweak]

Some Cardinal owners carry a retractable boat hook for this situation. Thats a long shot, but the risk is acceptable in my mind.

I won't tackle the debate as to whether this was a good or bad idea (partially because I wasn't there and don't have all the facts) but the Cardinal comment reminded me of a story I read some time back (in AOPA I believe). There was a 210 pilot whose gear failed to extend. Apparently all the hydraulic fluid had departed the aircraft sometime after the gear was retracted. So, realizing the problem (I believe that the nose gear came down via gravity or the tiny bit of fluid left in the system released the uplock or something like that, but the mains were still locked up) he set the auto pilot, crawled back to the main wheel wells (between the rear seat and baggage compartment), broke through the floor with a screw driver and manually released the uplocks. Then he grabbed his towbar and pulled the mains up into position. He subsequently landed safely. Sounds kind of like a MacGyver type move to me.

 

[MFRskyknight]

I'll chime in and say "no way" would I have done that.

But I'm a "kitty kat" so...there ya go.

-mini

mini....has Hollywood taught you nothing?

MFR

 

[Gutenberg]

One of the 182-RG's I fly has a pee tube that empties out the belly. If there's ever a hydraulic fluid problem, my thought is to feed it into the powerpack and go to town.

Usually you get that dangling wasp-leg thing when you lose hydraulic pressure in the cessna RG's

 

[casper1nine]

I weigh in on the bad idea side of this one. I usually refrain from pointing fingers, but this activity was just foolish. The risk is just not worth to possible benefit.

I know I wasn't there, don't know any of those involved, but it doesn't matter.

Flying is fun and we can all enjoy it, but we should be mindful when we sacrifice safety for budget.... skimping on MTC or being "innovative" with our "problem solving," to save on insurance. Had the hero tactics not been employed, it is doubtful that this would have resulted in a total loss, so I don't buy that this drives up insurance prices... taking rediculous risks is what eventually drives up prices.

Is it kinda neat that this worked? Yeah! Looks cool on TV. Was it a good idea? No way.

Anybody think that this will result in an enforcement action of any kind? Should it?

-Casper

 

[Gulfstream 200]

be careful what you say about people you don't know, T-Gates. you weren't there, you have no idea what was going through everyone's head. and thankfully they didn't have you to depend on when trying to get this situation fixed.

typical cheap ratty S FL flight school tactic.

risk 3 lives to save a propstrike?

yeah heroic....the sad part is the pilot and the tools in the Jeep probably felt great about saving that insurance deductible. My guess is also that the FAA wants to talk to the pilot...

Of course Joe Epic would not have been so psyched to talk to the media if the plane crashed on the jeep and killed them all.

What a douche.

 

[cforst513]

typical cheap ratty S FL flight school tactic.

risk 3 lives to save a propstrike?

yeah heroic....the sad part is the pilot and the tools in the Jeep probably felt great about saving that insurance deductible. My guess is also that the FAA wants to talk to the pilot...

Of course Joe Epic would not have been so psyched to talk to the media if the plane crashed on the jeep and killed them all.

What a douche.

wow, there are so many things wrong with your post, i don't know where to start. you're not worth the fight, Gulfstream. you've reverted to name calling like the immature 12 year old you probably are. why don't you go somewhere else and talk about how important you are b/c you make a lot of money and fly gulfstreams, since that's what's important in life. leave this thread to those with the mental capacity to handle a mature conversation.

was this a good idea? i dunno. lots of factors to weigh. but, since i know the parties involved, i can tell you right now this was not an insurance issue, nor was it a "hotdog" issue. several of the parties involved have families and children, and i bet that they wouldn't have put themselves in harm's way if they didn't think that they could handle it. don't talk about what you don't know, gulfstream. all you know about this situation is the 50 second clip from a local news company. you just look ignorant.

 

[gkrangers]

was this a good idea?

No, it wasn't. End of story.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

wow, there are so many things wrong with your post, i don't know where to start. you're not worth the fight, Gulfstream. you've reverted to name calling like the immature 12 year old you probably are. why don't you go somewhere else and talk about how important you are b/c you make a lot of money and fly gulfstreams, since that's what's important in life. leave this thread to those with the mental capacity to handle a mature conversation.

was this a good idea? i dunno. lots of factors to weigh. but, since i know the parties involved, i can tell you right now this was not an insurance issue, nor was it a "hotdog" issue. several of the parties involved have families and children, and i bet that they wouldn't have put themselves in harm's way if they didn't think that they could handle it. don't talk about what you don't know, gulfstream. all you know about this situation is the 50 second clip from a local news company. you just look ignorant.

not an insurance issue?
not a hotdog issue?
no one put themselves in harms way?

what part of the 50 seconds did you miss buddy? maybe the part when the jeep sped down the runway and the guy grabbed the cessna landing gear? ignorant? I dont know the whole story? what else is there to know? its all on tape man!

I know you have some strange "loyalty" to your flight school and all but this was seriously a stupid thing to do, videotape, and talk to the media about. If loyalty to this douchebag is your issue think how long Epic would be in business if that plane crashed on the jeep killing all 3-4 people? Would have made that 2 weeks in mx after the gear up landing look pretty reasonable huh?

then again at least he didnt mess up the flight schedule.....or fly a wide pattern or belly it in on the grass like some "riddle dork" would have, huh?

.

 

[lowslow]

I know the guy who got on his belly and pulled the gear down on the RG. Last I knew, he was a "higher up" @ TSA.
I thought at the time, he clanked when he walked....

 

[C172gal05]

WOW WOW and WOW....

Its one of those What were u thinking....

But glad everyone was okay.....

 

[gkrangers]

Its one of those What were u thinking....

lol...Dr. Mark Friend..

 

[shamrock]

OMG, I can't believe this guy didn't DIE!

Watch this.