Integration Day

[gutshotdraw]

Dog,

We don't have a pay scale. There are people with the exact same hire date making different base pay. It just depends.....

 

[imacdog]

Well don't be bashful now Gut, if you guys are making statements like DD did, it would be nice to see some actual figures to back that up.

 

[Gruman Fan]

1st year Capt. pay is $110,000.

 

[Dirty Dingus]

Dog, You must have missed something, I wasn't speaking about NJI Pay, But when it's all said and done, NJA pilot's will follow their pay scale, which is less than the NJI Captains in the same time frame. That's how I see it. Let me know what you think????

:beer:

 

[Hogprint]

Dingus,

Have your views changed in any way in light of today's announcement?

 

[imacdog]

DD, that's why I'm asking for pay scales at NJI, so we can all see how the NJA pilots will be working for less. Please provide some support to the statements you have been making.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Dog,

Been out making the donuts.

To answer on Dinger's behalf,

If I read the CBA pay scale correctly, on a 7-7 schedule (which, as you know, is all we presently offer), I currently make $26,000 a year more in base pay than a pilot of equivalent seniority at NJA on a more than 40,000# airplane.

Fortunately, the terms of the LOA prevent reductions in base pay once the terms of the CBA govern the NJI pilot group.

I'm interested to see how quickly B. O. implements the terms of the contract and what areas receive contractual relief for the NJI operation.

 

[Dirty Dingus]

I just got back in the loop. Tks Gut for the reply, that's all I was talking about, as far as pay goes. I can't wait for all this to happen. I've been waiting for someone to speak for us, for a long time. Now NJASAP has their chance to make good on what they say will happen, to make things better . I also look forward to fly with some of those guy's with all that experience I've been hearing about!!!!!!

Hog, Yes I've changed my mind on the 2010 time table but, this is still going to take some time unless B.O. really get's in gear. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. How can this get any better, Man I love this place!!!!

Cheer's everyone, Show me the money!!!!:beer:

P.S. Don't forget to say hello and welcome to your NEW brother's on the bus.

 

[jenex]

I aint your brother and dont want to be.

 

[imacdog]

Gut, how many years of service do you have at NJI, and do you believe that pilots at NJA with your same years of service could hold Gulfstream captain?

 

[gutshotdraw]

Nine and a half and a couple already do.

 

[CE750Driver]

I aint your brother and dont want to be.

You may be a black sheep, but a brother nonetheless. Havent you heard? Cant choose your family.

Welcome bro.

 

[fischman]

I aint your brother and dont want to be.

Nice attitude. Brother...

 

[Fozzy]

Nice attitude. Brother...

Give him time, he will get over it. Especially after the W2 goes up.

Just repeat after me. "Holiday pay."

 

[johnsonrod]

I aint your brother and dont want to be.

Avantair is hiring...

 

[jenex]

Thanks for the tip!
I actually don't think the Union will be a bad thing as far as pay goes, if I upgrade before the integration date. But I am actually more concerned about furloughs and how they will be managed. Lots of money is being lost on wall street and thereby fractional owners!

 

[gutshotdraw]

Jenex,

Did you know that a major drug company just shut down its flight department and joined Netjets? Throughout the yin and yang of economic cycles, the company does just fine. We lose one company here, another company buys in to stop the shareholder screaming about the low stock price and the royal barge. And the super rich? They're super rich for a reason and will continue to be so. And they're not going back to the airlines.

I wouldn't worry about any furlough. Slower growth, maybe. Furlough? If that happens it means we have "dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!"

 

[tk855]

Jenex,

Did you know that a major drug company just shut down its flight department and joined Netjets?

Are you talking about Bristol Meyers Squibb? I guess in your 9.5 years with NJA you have seen the cycle's peak and trough a couple times huh!!

 

[NJAPLT]

I currently make $26,000 a year more in base pay than a pilot of equivalent seniority at NJA on a more than 40,000# airplane.

Fortunately, the terms of the LOA prevent reductions in base pay once the terms of the CBA govern the NJI pilot group.

I'm interested to see how quickly B. O. implements the terms of the contract and what areas receive contractual relief for the NJI operation.

Flying on the NJA "side" I hear lots of people complaining that we gave up too much in the IBB, the pay is too low for the captains, we gave too many concessions, etc.

I don't think the mood among the general NJA pilot population is to give any more "contractional relief" to the company without some clear gains to our pilots (NJI and NJA).

I'm sure an extra $26,000 a year "bonus" to each pilot (in addditon to our current pay scales until we are all on the same pay rate) would work however.

As always, we will see how this develops. Oh, and Welcome Aboard!

 

[cush]

Dog,

If I read the CBA pay scale correctly, on a 7-7 schedule (which, as you know, is all we presently offer), I currently make $26,000 a year more in base pay than a pilot of equivalent seniority at NJA on a more than 40,000# airplane.

I think you said you were in your 10th year.
The pay scale for the >40K doesn't go over and above < 40K aircraft until year 16. (if you read the fine print.)

We don't have anyone less than 11th year seniority in a >40 aircraft. I'm in yr. 13 and won't take a pay cut for staying in my <40k for few years. I'm quite happy where I am though. (DA2000 classic) Come on over! You'd love it. I'm not kidding!