Instrument Procedure Question

[Lynxman]

There is no reason to turn early at all.

 

[stupidpilot]

There is no reason to turn early, I agree. But you are not breaking any rule by doing so. The whole airspace encompassed by the holding pattern is protected and surveyed for obstacles.

 

[NCherches]

Vectors to Final.... problem solved.

 

[Lynxman]

Vectors to Final.... problem solved.

Ya buddy!

 

[A Squared]

This is like a Procedural Track. I have flown with a number of professional (paid) pilot who wanted to turn "early" and not follow the track. I told them that their idea is wrong. It is NOT protected airspace. It is a TRACK and you the approach is designed for you to follow the track as closely as possible.

So, tell me, is there anything which would legally prevent you from turning to your 45 degree out bound leg on procedure turn immediately after passing the IAF, and only flying 45 seconds out bound at a 45 instead of a minute?

I'll save you some trouble, answer is no. So given that the only function of the racetrack pattern is course reversal, what, legally, prevents you from flying the reversal a little closer in. And what would be the practical rationale behind such a regulation?

It is also like a 1 minute holding pattern. You turn at 1 minute, not at 30 seconds.

You got a reference for that? What regulation would you be violating? I can't think of one. When you consider that the purpose of a hold (as opposed to a racetrack reversal on an IAP) is to park you so you're not progressing forward, and you don't stray into rocks, or the path of another plane, I'm having a herd time imagining that it would make anykind of real difference to anyone who matters is you used 30 second legs in lieu of 1 minute lags.

 

[A Squared]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say your not instrument rated yet. What you are seeing is a hold in lieu of a procedure turn so that you can get established on the inbound course.

That's quite a tenuous limb you crawled out on there. I don't see anything in the original pose which suggests that he a) isn't instrument rated, b) Doesn't understand the purpose of a racetrack pattern on an IAP.