Instead of re-regulation lets get the Goverment to pay the airlines fuel bills....

[Jet41]

How about this. Instead of raising our taxes and stealing more of our money to bail out these poorly run airlines let the market decided who survives and who doesn't. It's not the taxpayers or governments job to insure an airlines survival. Even at todays fuel prices, some will survive. Looking toward the government for ones salvation isn't the answer.

 

[PCL_128]

Most airlines didn't take any of the money because the terms and conditions of the loans were so poor from the U.S. Government.

UAL begged and pleaded for those loans, and no one deserved them more, but the Administration refused to help them.

 

[BoilerUP]

How's life under the rock? Don't commtent or make assumptions about topics that you apparently know absolutely nothing about.

http://web.mit.edu/TicketTax/



And corporate pays how many of these taxes?

FTT -

U.S. value added tax (currently 7.5% of base fare), used to fund FAA operations and the Airport Improvement Program

FST -

U.S. tax applied per segment (currently $3.30), used to fund FAA operations and the Airport Improvement Program

PFC -

U.S. "head tax" collected and used by specific airports (currently $0, $3, or $4.50), used for airport improvement projects

FSSF -

U.S. security tax (currently $2.50), used for passenger and baggage screening

How much of that is passed through to the passenger?

 

[Dude]

PCL,

Please explain to me why a company (UAL) that is run so poorly that isn't worth lending anymore money to is entitled to more loans. If I went to my banker and said, "I know I am not making any money, owe you more than my note is worth and have no prospects for a future return, would you loan me some more money?", he would laugh at me. The "Administration" didn't owe United anything.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL,

Please explain to me why a company (UAL) that is run so poorly that isn't worth lending anymore money to is entitled to more loans. If I went to my banker and said, "I know I am not making any money, owe you more than my note is worth and have no prospects for a future return, would you loan me some more money?", he would laugh at me. The "Administration" didn't owe United anything.

This government's incompetence directly led to the use of UAL airliners as missiles by terrorist, resulting in the deaths of countless crewmembers and the economic collapse of the entire industry. With UAL's huge loss the direct result of government incompetence, I find it disgusting that the Administration would refuse UAL some loans to help them recover. If anyone deserved an ATSB loan, it was United Airlines.

 

[Tail Gunner Joe]

How much of that is passed through to the passenger?

Almost none of it. These taxes are paid by the reduction in pay in pilot salaries over the last seven years.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

PCL,

Please explain to me why a company (UAL) that is run so poorly that isn't worth lending anymore money to is entitled to more loans. If I went to my banker and said, "I know I am not making any money, owe you more than my note is worth and have no prospects for a future return, would you loan me some more money?", he would laugh at me. The "Administration" didn't owe United anything.

Dude,

Spot on amigo! These socialist whiners are truly embarrassing. Rugged individualism, as espoused by Warren G. Harding, is what this country was founded upon. 200+ years later PCL128 and his buddies are slothfully obese, don't think they should be "punished" by earning their own way in life, and want mama government's (your and mine) teet in their mouth 3 times a day!

Unbelievable really... and sad.


BBB

 

[BoilerUP]

Almost none of it. These taxes are paid by the reduction in pay in pilot salaries over the last seven years.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2007-04-16-air-travel-taxes_N.htm

 

[Dude]

PCL,

Seriously? The administration/government's incompetence directly led to September 11, 2001? I have always found your positions very left of mine with a hint of the socialist, but never thought you irrational until now.

September 11, 2001 was a sad day because of teet-sucker appeasers like you, my friend. If our government was allowed to do their job and profile, terminate relationships with security companies that are incompetent, secure good intelligence at reasonable costs, interrogate properly, eliminate combatants, and so on, we would have avoided that day's misery. Our country has been invaded by liberal, cry-babies that make it impossible to hand out justice to anyone. Whether it's a child that has placed second; "winning's not important, playing is". How about our inability to look at a person of Arab descent and trying to determine if they mean us harm? That doesn't seem too irresponsible considering that almost every act of terrorism involving an airplane also involves an Arab perpetrator. What about the fact that I cannot speak the truth regarding anyone or anything because of my race. Why? I am white. If I do, I am a bigot, racist, hate-monger, homophobic, or a redneck. If a Muslim, Asian, African, Latino does it he is an activist and a hero in his community for standing up for the rights of his/her people. As a nation, we have all failed. We have forfeited constitutional rights for the sake of security, failed relationships, and the illusion of being a progressive nation. Political correctness IS our new foreign policy and we will be damned for it.

Back to United. They and many others do not have the right under the constitution to government assistance. Their lack of vision, planning, and competence has put them in perilous positions, not the government. I would concede that they are overtaxed and regulated, but that would be my only concession regarding the government's obligation to their recovery. The US taxpayer does not have an obligation to enable the failed management at the Legacy carriers. They also do not have a right to fly or travel. Show me in the constitution where that right is afforded me, as a citizen, and I will change my tune about regulation of the US transportation system. Good companies succeed and bad ones go away. Unless, of course you are an airline.

 

[PCL_128]

It would seem that discussing this or any other issue with you would be pointless. You advocate racist profiling, torture for interrogation, unlawful imprisonment, etc... All of these things run contrary to the founding principles of our nation. For so-called "conservatives" to champion them is simply sad.

 

[Dude]

PCL,

1. Racism-The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Profiling is not racist behavior. Although, killing masses as a result of their race and/or religion is.
2. Torture is, unfortunately, necessary and unpleasant. I have no philosophical problem with torturing someone if they are combative, guilty of heinous crimes and knowlegeable of an impending attack or crime against innocent people(that do not kill in the name of their superior religion, BTW).
3. It is not unlawful to detain and imprison combatants and withhold Habeas Corpus for those at Guantanemo Bay. According to the Fourth Geneva Convention: .....Thus, francs-tireurs, "terrorists", saboteurs, mercenaries and spies may be excluded. Check it out. I wonder if the Supreme Court can read, or do they see what all liberals do.......what they want.

So, I guess there is nothing from you regarding United?

 

[Lebowski]

I wonder if the Supreme Court can read, or do they see what all liberals do.......what they want.

Bigot:
1.stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. 2.the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

From Dictionary.com.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

It would seem that discussing this or any other issue with you would be pointless. You advocate racist profiling, torture for interrogation, unlawful imprisonment, etc... All of these things run contrary to the founding principles of our nation. For so-called "conservatives" to champion them is simply sad.

Have you actually read the history of our country? It sure does not involve a lot of hand holding liberals. It was a group of hard working people who believed in their abilities to eek out a living in a new world free from the tyrants from Europe. That any immigrant that legally crossed our shores could one day be the most successful person in the country. They believed the role of government was limited to providing infrastructure and to protect our boarders. Not the bloated socialism that is being touted today. I think our forefathers would puke at the bureaucracy that we have created.

One of the biggest problems today is that people want a capitalist society when it serves them (they are making money) and a socialist society when they fail. You can't have it both ways. In a capitalist society if you do not succeed you must be allowed to fail. THAT is what made this the great country we are. Yet today we strive for mediocracy. Bloated organizations are allowed to survive when more successful models are held back because it is not truly free competition. Perfectly able bodied people leech off society while hard working people are stolen from because they decide to have a job and work for a better life for their families.

I will have to strongly disagree with you PCL. I don't believe the current direction of our country in any way mirrors the original principals that our founding fathers set fourth.

 

[cjdriver]

If after deregulation, the government hadn't bailed out failing airlines and instead allowed the free market to work, we wouldn't be discussing this. There would only be a few healthy airlines making lot's of money.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I love how the Southwest guys think that reregulation would hurt their airline. When in fact government bailouts and mismanagement of other airlines is the principle reason they are so successful.

Let the government step out I say, let the banks margin call instead of the government bailing them out. Let's watch the dollar regain its strength and people invest in America. That way oil will go back down to $30 a barrel and Southwests hedging program will be a loser instead of the biggest winner.