Initial CFI Checkride

[minitour]

If you got your 1ST class Medical January 2004, then it turned to a second class medical on July 31st 2004 and then a 3rd class medical Feb 1st 2005. As of now you cannot use your commercial license let alone a CFI because you only have a 3rd class medical.

Actually to CFI and act as a PIC, you only need a 3rd class medical, so you're good to go with your 3rd class privileges. Remember, it's still a 1st class medical...but you can't use your 1st class privileges anymore.

And for the checkride in an aircraft you only need the 3rd class also.

You should be fine. Now...to use your commercial privileges? Different story.

-mini

 

[Almerick07]

did my CFI checkride with a 1st class downgraded to 3rd class, completely legal....expect questions of this sort on the technical questions section.

 

[Airline Driver]

Actually to CFI and act as a PIC, you only need a 3rd class medical, so you're good to go with your 3rd class privileges. Remember, it's still a 1st class medical...but you can't use your 1st class privileges anymore.

And for the checkride in an aircraft you only need the 3rd class also.

You should be fine. Now...to use your commercial privileges? Different story.

-mini

Wow your right! It's been a while. I just went back and did some review in part 61. Some things have changed slightly. The only time you would need a second class medical is if Instructing for $$$$. Then you would be utilizing your commercial license.. At least for powered aircraft.

 

[av8er23]

Sorry for the failure. I was lucky enough to take my initial with my DPE. I was having nightmares about a going to the FSDO...That reminds me I should send those very helpful FSDO guys a Christmas Card.

 

[minitour]

The only time you would need a second class medical is if Instructing for $$$$. Then you would be utilizing your commercial license.. At least for powered aircraft.

There's something out there (an AC, legal interpretation, something) that says not so.

I always believed this was the case until I read (whatever it was...), but when you're charging for CFI services, they are just that..flight instructor services.

I know of a few instructors that I've talked to recently who are giving dual, charging and don't have valid 2nd class privileges.

You're only using your commercial privileges if flying (as a required crew member) for compensation or hire.

But for instructing you only need a 3rd class Medical if you're acting as PIC. Giving dual to primary students, instrument students in IMC on a flight plan/clearance, complex/hp/altitude endorsement flights, etc.

-mini

 

[Almerick07]

right on mini

 

[Airline Driver]

There's something out there (an AC, legal interpretation, something) that says not so.

I always believed this was the case until I read (whatever it was...), but when you're charging for CFI services, they are just that..flight instructor services.


I know of a few instructors that I've talked to recently who are giving dual, charging and don't have valid 2nd class privileges.

You're only using your commercial privileges if flying (as a required crew member) for compensation or hire.

But for instructing you only need a 3rd class Medical if you're acting as PIC. Giving dual to primry students, instrument students in IMC on a flight plan/clearance, complex/hp/altitude endorsement flights, etc.

-mini

I would need to see this article. I am not saying your wrong but If I am not mistaken, does the rule not say when flying for compensation "OR" hire. When flight instructing, unless your doing a favor for a friend, your flying for compensation which would then require a commercial license and a second class medical. You may not be a crewmember as a CFI but your still flying for $$$ and that requires a commercial license and second class medical.

If you could find this article I would like to read it.

 

[minitour]

I would need to see this article. I am not saying your wrong but If I am not mistaken, does the rule not say when flying for compensation "OR" hire. When flight instructing, unless your doing a favor for a friend, your flying for compensation which would then require a commercial license and a second class medical.

If you could find this article I would like to read it.

Looking...if I can't find whatever it is, I'm sure avbug has it or knows where it is.

The interpretation was that you weren't "Flying" for compensation or hire, you were "instructing" for compensation and that those were two different things.

I'll see if I can find and post it.

-mini

 

[Airline Driver]

Looking...if I can't find whatever it is, I'm sure avbug has it or knows where it is.

The interpretation was that you weren't "Flying" for compensation or hire, you were "instructing" for compensation and that those were two different things.

I'll see if I can find and post it.

-mini

Mini,

I found the answerer, 61.23 has all of the conditions and stipulations. You are absolutely correct!! You do not need a medical "PERIOD", if giving instruction to someone who is acting as Pilot-in Command. If you are giving instruction to a student and the CFI is acting as Pilot-In-Command, then you only need a 3rd class medical.

I called AOPA for a better interpretation of the reg, and they also agreed with your statement. I will admit, that when I got my original CFI back in 1991, back then you needed at least a second class medical. The rule changed somewhere in 97 or 98 sometime.

The difference is you are not providing "transportation" in the aircraft your providing "Instruction" in the aircraft.. That is the difference. That is what you said in the beginning and you are absolutely correct!!!

Good Catch!!!

 

[minitour]

The difference is you are not providing "transportation" in the aircraft your providing "Instruction" in the aircraft.. That is the difference.

Good answer for an oral (hint hint for anyone that does their CFI in the OKC area....).

-mini

 

[schoolio]

I found the answerer, 61.23 has all of the conditions and stipulations.

Didn't I post that info above?
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=67956#20

Just razzin' ya.

 

[Almerick07]

Good answer for an oral (hint hint for anyone that does their CFI in the OKC area....).

OKC FSDO is effing evil!!!

 

[minitour]

OKC FSDO is effing evil!!!

I wouldn't say "evil"....but there are quite a few people there that I would classify as "lazy" for sure.

-mini

 

[schoolio]

Is there any requirement to have a book full of lesson plans? This is killing me!

 

[BYUFlyr]

Is there any requirement to have a book full of lesson plans?

I don't think so.... I didn't have a full book of lesson plans

 

[MagicRat]

No requirement on the lesson plans.

When you arrange your checkride, your examiner may ask you to prepare specific lesson plans. Have those ready. But anything beyond that is merely gravy, not required.

 

[nosehair]

Is there any requirement to have a book full of lesson plans? This is killing me!

The "requirement", as you put it, is (or can be found) in the CFI PTS under Area of Operation I: Fundamentals of Instructing. Task G: Planning Instructional Activity
1. Developing objectives and standards for a course of training
2. Theory of building blocks of learning
3. Requirements for developing a training syllabus
4. Purpose and characteristics of a lesson plan

The biggest deal about the CFI is "ability to instruct", not fly.
The biggest problem with the whole "FOI" area is the lack of experience in that area.
Pilot Certificates require a certain amount of "experience" in flying.
If it were not for the certain "experience" requirements, a person could possibly train to pass the PTS requirements in much less time without x/c, night, instrument, etc "experience". But, while this pilot may be sharp stick-and-rudder wise, his lack of real world experience is an accident waiting to happen. So...the requirement for experience.
...so, with no experience requirements in the CFI training and testing, the actual "experience" you get putting together some lesson plans is to your great benefit. And I mean actually creating them. Developing objectives and standards...etc, not just paste and copy.

You asked for it, Mister...you got it.

 

[FlyingSkip]

I did mine several years ago through the Atlanta FSDO and it was "recommended" to me by the local FBO that knew the inspectors well to have it---I did and used several of them---mine was one of those 10 hour orals. At the end of it, I asked if it had been that long cause I messed some things up and they wanted to give me a chance, and the guy replied "You didn't miss a single thing or say one thing I could argue with---I just like to be thorough!" All I had was a loose-leaf binder with handwritten sheets (with drawings as appropriate) inside of those plastic sleeves--I could take one out and put it in front of him while I drew it out and explained at the blackboard. Worked for me....

 

[schoolio]

You asked for it, Mister...you got it.

That's exactly what I was asking for. Thanks.

 

[schoolio]

Well, took my initial CFI (MEI) yesterday, and passed. Started at 0600, got to the plane at 1430, walked out with my certificate in hand at 1745. What a long day! But I'm sooooo glad it's over! What a relief. Now on to the SE add-on and then II.....more to follow.