Industry $tandards

[EngineThunder]

In addition to the short term "me" analysis that doublepsych mentions, the sense of entitlement that some people have in this industry is unbelievable.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Labor is a comodity. People will shop around until they find the best price on just about anything, even wealthy people that can afford to pay more.

Any person worth their salt knows that labor is prior to, and independent of, captial. Captial is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of captial, and deserves much higher consideration.

 

[SoundBarViolatr]

How low can you go?

A difference in 50 bucks a day is hardly significanly undercutting an industry standard.

As a side note, I have begun negotiating "X" number of days of a contract pilot availability in my training contracts with training vendors in order to more closely control this cost while at the same time getting quality persons.

$50 a day may not be much but quickly adds up for a 30+ day contract. And it was to MEET the LOWEST END of $tandards exercised by contract pilots for the type aicraft. Although I have not seen anything officially "published", the rate seemed to be universaly recognized and acknowledged by majority of pilots and companies for this type aircraft across the nation.

 

[SoundBarViolatr]

Sooooo is it safe to assume that so called industry standards are merely LOOSE guidelines? No one seems to sound off in a firm matter. I would like to know before I loose another opportunity to make $$$!

SBV

 

[GVFlyer]

Any person worth their salt knows that labor is prior to, and independent of, captial. Captial is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of captial, and deserves much higher consideration.

I hadn't seen this view since we read The Labor Theory of Value in College.

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]The Labor Theory of Value is a major pillar of traditional Marxian economics, which is espoused in Marx's principal work, Capital (1867). His basic claim is simple: the value of a commodity can be objectively measured by the average amount of labor hours that are required to produce that commodity.[/SIZE][/FONT]

This is the way Marx said it in Wage Labour and Capital 1847.

"Capital can multiply itself only by exchanging itself for labor-power, by calling wage-labor into life. The labor-power of the wage-laborer can exchange itself for capital only by increasing capital, by strengthening that very power whose slave it is. Increase of capital, therefore, is increase of the proletariat, i.e., of the working class.

Capital perishes if it does not exploit labor-power, which, in order to exploit, it must buy. The more quickly the capital destined for production – the productive capital – increases, the more prosperous industry is, the more the bourgeoisie enriches itself, the better business gets, so many more workers does the capitalist need, so much the dearer does the worker sell himself."



GV

 

[Publishers]

I have on average one retiring commercial airline retiring pilot a week come in looking for work. They hit 60 and want to continue. Great people, great resume. Very few want full time jobs as they have money and want the freedom to use it and take time when they want. We will use them if they are typed and ready to go. We are not going to invest in training them with type certs when they really do not want full time employment. The vast majority offer to go get a type which I discourage as the fact is I may not be able to use them when they are done.
It is hard to maintain any kind of line when this is the way it is.

 

[SoundBarViolatr]

Uniform Freq?

Is there another way of finding out what the "Industry Contract Rates" are for a type a/c other than word of mouth?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I do contract work, and here are my numbers.

$1500 per day in the V/550/450
$1200 per day in the IV (when I was current)
(Plus all meals, hotels, tips and travel to and from.)

If they want me, they pay me. Period. I dont make my living off the side work, so if Im going to be away from the Wiff and Kiddies, its going to be worth it.

As far as the "Industry Standard"... to my knowledge you wont find an official printed number.

 

[Publishers]

Wolf gets that, but we just paid $800 per day for an extremely qualified crew for GIV. Captains on mid sized between $500 and $650. Light $450.

 

[Diesel]

900 a day for an international X. 800-850 domestic.

You get what you pay for is what I tell them. Some understand the value some don't. I could care less either way.

Sounds like publishers is using his Airline guys to keep the daily rate down.

 

[Publishers]

I paid them what they asked for. Simple out and back trip. I think these are the South Florida rates not anything I created. If and airline guy wants to get his own type and work contract, that level of experience is great. Is he going to get the $250,000 he was making to fly a Lear 60, well no, experience or not.

 

[Diesel]

Ahhh the simple, "i'm just doing my job excuse."

In the end its just that excuse.

 

[AA717driver]

Publishers runs a department. It's not his job to "hold up the bar" on pay rates.

S. FL is becoming for corporate/135 what it has been for freight--lowball, low cost, low expectations.

Maybe he pays his people a fair wage for the area. If I'm writing the checks and someone qualified walks up (not that being a retired airline guy automatically meets that standard...) willing to do the job for nearly half what the top rate is, why wouldn't I do it?

Now, personally, if someone walks in the door offering his services for $850 on the IV, I'm sure going to call around and check them out. Then, I'll probably call WPP and see if he's available 'cause I know him. TC

 

[nfg2u]

Why is it that South Florida has got the Airplanes, got the Owners with enough money to buy them but nobody wants to do anything down there unless its on the cheap? I don't get it! Can someone fill me in?

I guess its the weather, because everyone wants to live there?

 

[pilotyip]

That is how the they got their money, doing it on the cheap, putting the max in thier pockets.