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[Publishers]

I have on average one retiring commercial airline retiring pilot a week come in looking for work. They hit 60 and want to continue. Great people, great resume. Very few want full time jobs as they have money and want the freedom to use it and take time when they want. We will use them if they are typed and ready to go. We are not going to invest in training them with type certs when they really do not want full time employment. The vast majority offer to go get a type which I discourage as the fact is I may not be able to use them when they are done.
It is hard to maintain any kind of line when this is the way it is.

 

[SoundBarViolatr]

Uniform Freq?

Is there another way of finding out what the "Industry Contract Rates" are for a type a/c other than word of mouth?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I do contract work, and here are my numbers.

$1500 per day in the V/550/450
$1200 per day in the IV (when I was current)
(Plus all meals, hotels, tips and travel to and from.)

If they want me, they pay me. Period. I dont make my living off the side work, so if Im going to be away from the Wiff and Kiddies, its going to be worth it.

As far as the "Industry Standard"... to my knowledge you wont find an official printed number.

 

[Publishers]

Wolf gets that, but we just paid $800 per day for an extremely qualified crew for GIV. Captains on mid sized between $500 and $650. Light $450.

 

[Diesel]

900 a day for an international X. 800-850 domestic.

You get what you pay for is what I tell them. Some understand the value some don't. I could care less either way.

Sounds like publishers is using his Airline guys to keep the daily rate down.

 

[Publishers]

I paid them what they asked for. Simple out and back trip. I think these are the South Florida rates not anything I created. If and airline guy wants to get his own type and work contract, that level of experience is great. Is he going to get the $250,000 he was making to fly a Lear 60, well no, experience or not.

 

[Diesel]

Ahhh the simple, "i'm just doing my job excuse."

In the end its just that excuse.

 

[AA717driver]

Publishers runs a department. It's not his job to "hold up the bar" on pay rates.

S. FL is becoming for corporate/135 what it has been for freight--lowball, low cost, low expectations.

Maybe he pays his people a fair wage for the area. If I'm writing the checks and someone qualified walks up (not that being a retired airline guy automatically meets that standard...) willing to do the job for nearly half what the top rate is, why wouldn't I do it?

Now, personally, if someone walks in the door offering his services for $850 on the IV, I'm sure going to call around and check them out. Then, I'll probably call WPP and see if he's available 'cause I know him. TC

 

[nfg2u]

Why is it that South Florida has got the Airplanes, got the Owners with enough money to buy them but nobody wants to do anything down there unless its on the cheap? I don't get it! Can someone fill me in?

I guess its the weather, because everyone wants to live there?

 

[pilotyip]

That is how the they got their money, doing it on the cheap, putting the max in thier pockets.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Can someone fill me in?

There's a certain highway in the sky that runs between NY and South Florida....

Here your answer lies within young Jedi.

 

[CA1900]

There's a certain highway in the sky that runs between NY and South Florida....

Here your answer lies within young Jedi.

:laugh:

Too funny....

 

[nfg2u]

There's a certain highway in the sky that runs between NY and South Florida....

Here your answer lies within young Jedi.

Yes but I feel the Dark Side is very strong in South Florida!!

 

[Diesel]

Why is my catering allways Bagel's and lox?

 

[Publishers]

I personally think that it has to do with the fact that there is not that much truely corporate flying in South Florida. While even in corporate flying there is usually a CEO or Chairman in charge, most of the people we run into here for management are first time owners, wealthy individuals who have no innate knowledge of the business. As example. I have to pull teeth to get these fantastically wealthy people to take a flight attendant on the Gulfstream. They do not want to make the expenditure, especially they do not like someone in the cabin when they are alone or have their family.
Don't feel too bad though, we have South American clients arriving in their Falcon 900 or something like it and they are paying South American wages of 1/3rd what US crews are getting.
I also assure you that the people I have flying are extremely experienced. Between my management group and myself, we have 110 years doing this safely and we do not want to cut corners.

 

[SoundBarViolatr]

In conclusion...

So in conclusion, would it be safe to assume that each pay standard for each airframe is dependent upon the stage location? How about position (Captain or typed but flying as SIC or not type flying as SIC)? And said standards is retrieved by word of mouth from those that circulate the contract community for said AOR?

 

[Publishers]

Location has always been a major factor. When I was in the Midwest, the average wages compared to any of the pilot surveys for say the Northeast were substantially less in Ohio. Same with the Northwest versus say SFO or Southern California.
I also think that the 135 community tends to set them more than the 91 group. When we had a 91 department, it was easy to get someone to fill in from another department or company. In 135, as there are more legal requirements, one has to get and pay for contract pilots at a certain level.
Lastly, supply is another major factor. Shipping Netjets, there are many more aircraft in South Florida and hence pilots than central Ohio.