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Indian Jet Plummets 7000' because co-pilot moved seat.

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And passengers don't and won't care as long as tickets are cheap. That is, until a couple of airliners nose in somewhere in the U.S.
 
something smells fishy (or like curry) here. He just "bumped" the controls. What? Unless he hit one of the AP disconnect buttons which is pretty hard to do I think there is more to the story than Habib and Rishi are letting on...



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The co-pilot of an Air India Express 737 sent the jetliner into a terrifying 7,000-foot plunge in May when he accidentally hit the control column while adjusting his seat, investigators report.
According to the report from India’s Directorate General of Civil Aviation, the co-pilot panicked and was unable to execute the proper procedures as the jetliner dropped from 37,000 feet at a 26-degree angle. The plane and its 113 passengers were saved when the pilot, who’d gone on a bathroom break, used an emergency code to get into the locked cockpit, jumped back into his seat and grabbed the controls to bring the plummeting plane out of its dive.
The aircraft would have broken apart if the descent had continued, the aviation agency report said. The aircraft was not damaged and no one was injured, the report said.
After the pilot, 39, regained control of the plane, he told passengers, who were in the middle of a meal when the jet plunged, that the plane had “went through an air pocket and that is why there was a rapid descent,” according to the report.
The aviation agency report concluded that the 25-year-old co-pilot had not been trained in the specific scenario the jet encountered and “probably had no clue to tackle this kind of emergency.”
Neither the pilot nor co-pilot were named in the report.
 
something smells fishy (or like curry) here. He just "bumped" the controls. What? Unless he hit one of the AP disconnect buttons which is pretty hard to do I think there is more to the story than Habib and Rishi are letting on...



text of the article:

The co-pilot of an Air India Express 737 sent the jetliner into a terrifying 7,000-foot plunge in May when he accidentally hit the control column while adjusting his seat, investigators report.
According to the report from India’s Directorate General of Civil Aviation, the co-pilot panicked and was unable to execute the proper procedures as the jetliner dropped from 37,000 feet at a 26-degree angle. The plane and its 113 passengers were saved when the pilot, who’d gone on a bathroom break, used an emergency code to get into the locked cockpit, jumped back into his seat and grabbed the controls to bring the plummeting plane out of its dive.
The aircraft would have broken apart if the descent had continued, the aviation agency report said. The aircraft was not damaged and no one was injured, the report said.
After the pilot, 39, regained control of the plane, he told passengers, who were in the middle of a meal when the jet plunged, that the plane had “went through an air pocket and that is why there was a rapid descent,” according to the report.
The aviation agency report concluded that the 25-year-old co-pilot had not been trained in the specific scenario the jet encountered and “probably had no clue to tackle this kind of emergency.”
Neither the pilot nor co-pilot were named in the report.

The dreaded "air pocket" strikes again.
 
On a more serious note, I'd like to find out what really happened in the cockpit when the Captain left to use the lav.
 
People here pay Zero-G $3500 a pop for that kind of experience.. Ha!.. glad the Capt had that secret code ring... how the heck did he even stand up against the flight deck door with a 26 degree nose high stall in progress.. wow..
 
No doubt in my mind. Jihad.

Gup

Hell of a cover up. "The copilot isn't a terrorist. He's just really stupid."

On a related note, does it bother anyone else that the RJs don't have an emergency alternate method of cockpit entry?
 
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come on, we have all done it. The seat will not go back far enough but if you could just get a little more leverage you know it will go back another couple of inches. The best way to do that is to use the yoke as a good foot rest to push off of when you have the handle pulled to move the seat. Works every time, tends to cost a bit of altitude. . .
 
come on, we have all done it. The seat will not go back far enough but if you could just get a little more leverage you know it will go back another couple of inches. The best way to do that is to use the yoke as a good foot rest to push off of when you have the handle pulled to move the seat. Works every time, tends to cost a bit of altitude. . .

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The aviation agency report concluded that the 25-year-old co-pilot had not been trained in the specific scenario the jet encountered and “probably had no clue to tackle this kind of emergency.”

I guess it's now an "emergency" when the autopilot clicks off.
 
Grab some popcorn and be prepared to say WTFO!?! several times:

http://dgca.nic.in/accident/reports/incident/VT-AXJ.pdf

Holy crap... This airline should not be flying in US airspace. The CA comes back to find his airplane 23 degrees nose down and you criticize him for pulling too hard and "not following RVSM procedures" but give the FO a pass because he was not trained to do an upset recovery with the auto-pilot on! No ******************** he wasn't because the first step would be to turn the AP off!
 
Not to mention the FO had 1300 TT with 900 hours in 737s. You mean they have 400 hour pilots flying 737s!
 
You mean they have 400 hour pilots flying 737s!
Yes, it's routine around many parts of the world. And we've had plenty of 200-400 hour pilots hired in RJs in 2004-2008.

At least they recovered and everyone lived. Unlike our lowtime Gulfstream hero who stalled and killed everyone last year.
 
After flying for an Indian airline for two years, this sort of event doesn't even surprise me anymore. In fact I'm surprised that it doesn't happen more often. In India it is normal for a 200 hour pilots to be hired on a Boeing or Airbus. Air India even has 200 hour new hires on the 777. It is also very common for a 2000 hour FO to be upgraded to Captain on a 737/Airbus 320. Also most Indian Captains fly every leg and therefore the FO never gets any hands on experience. The company that I flew for in India had a policy against any raw data flying unless a training Captain was on board. Pilot training in India is a joke. Many of the FO's I flew with told me that it was common to log hours without flying. There is no instrument training as GA airplanes aren't allowed to do "practice approaches" in India. There is no Instrument check ride. Only requirement is to log 40 hours (20 sim/20 airplane) and then DGCA issues an Instrument rating. Many of the FO's I flew with got their Multi Engine ticket in the ATR simulator when doing their type rating. Inexperienced pilots, low training standards, and corruption make for a very unsafe environment in India and I expect that there will be more incidents like this one in the future.
 
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After flying for an Indian airline for two years, this sort of event doesn't even surprise me anymore. In fact I'm surprised that it doesn't happen more often. In India it is normal for a 200 hour pilots to be hired on a Boeing or Airbus. Air India even has 200 hour new hires on the 777. It is also very common for a 2000 hour FO to be upgraded to Captain on a 737/Airbus 320. Also most Indian Captains fly every leg and therefore the FO never gets any hands on experience. The company that I flew for in India had a policy against any raw data flying unless a training Captain was on board. Pilot training in India is a joke. Many of the FO's I flew with told me that it was common to log hours without flying. There is no instrument training as GA airplanes aren't allowed to do "practice approaches" in India. There is no Instrument check ride. Only requirement is to log 40 hours (20 sim/20 airplane) and then DGCA issues an Instrument rating. Many of the FO's I flew with got their Multi Engine ticket in the ATR simulator when doing their type rating. Inexperienced pilots, low training standards, and corruption make for a very unsafe environment in India and I expect that there will be more incidents like this one in the future.

They're banking on technology to compensate for crap training.
 

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