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Independent Regionals to Fade??

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lowecur

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12 months from now, UAL, DAL will have capacity reductions in place of probably 20% throughout their system. My prediction is that UAIR will be operating at about 30-40% below todays capacity, and ATA will not exist. DFW, LAX, LGA, MDW, BOS, SFO, DCA, BWI, IAD, PHL will have mainline gates available, but the regional gates will probably be reoccupied by the proprietary regional carriers (DCI, EXJ, Eagle, and FLYi), as they redeploy many of their RJ's to more profitable routes. B6 will make an appearance at many of these airports, but only on selected highly profitable segments. WN will again readjust their capacity to accomodate many of these airports, and so will FL, but only using the gates for highly profitable O&D traffic.

The winning independent regionals will be the ones that have the RJ70/90's, and the E-jets in their inventory. RJET is the place to be.:)
 
Mugs said:
How many times a week do you have to try and pump up that Embraer stock you own?
Hey, I've been without power here in Boca for 5 days. :)
 
Ahhhhh, A Florida Eastcoaster, that brings it all into focus.
 
FLB717 said:
Ahhhhh, A Florida Eastcoaster, that brings it all into focus.
Splain yourself Lucy!
 
Dear Lowcur-

Could you please take some time out of your hectic psychic schedule and answer a quick question for me?

I'm planning a rather large family party next year the first week in May. Could you please tell me what the weather will be for that week? Will the country still be around?

Thank you for your sharing your powers and deep insight for a non aviation interview question.

your 'sky is falling' friend forever,
tranceport
 
I grew up on the Florida West Coast. Ya know, more laid back, better beaches and mo Blue Hairs.:eek:
 
lowecur said:
12 months from now, UAL, DAL will have capacity reductions in place of probably 20% throughout their system. My prediction is that UAIR will be operating at about 30-40% below todays capacity, and ATA will not exist. DFW, LAX, LGA, MDW, BOS, SFO, DCA, BWI, IAD, PHL will have mainline gates available, but the regional gates will probably be reoccupied by the proprietary regional carriers (DCI, EXJ, Eagle, and FLYi), as they redeploy many of their RJ's to more profitable routes. B6 will make an appearance at many of these airports, but only on selected highly profitable segments. WN will again readjust their capacity to accomodate many of these airports, and so will FL, but only using the gates for highly profitable O&D traffic.

The winning independent regionals will be the ones that have the RJ70/90's, and the E-jets in their inventory. RJET is the place to be.:)
You and your E jet, blah blah.
A 20% reduction by DAL & UAL of capacity hardly equates to a gate sale. Maybe you can explain yourself, you tell us which gates at LGA DAL and UAL will surrender? Look at Delta's & UAL's current LGA facility, they could eaisly reduce by 20% and not have to return a single gate. The same goes for BOS, SFO and DCA.

As far as DFW. I would look for the rath of AA to come into play. They can eaisly match any domestic fare war with AA Eagle pricing. I would also look for AA to try to aquire the DAL gates. this would allow them to move domestic feed closer to the new intl terminal (AA gets their way at DFW). AA would love to surrender the current Eagle facility. It would be a whole lot eaiser to move the regional flights to the A gates vs their current out post. So what appears to be extra capacity at DFW, is not.

So what you are really talking about is the additional capacity created by the departure of USAir and ATA. Let's see who is best suited to move in and take over MDW, PHL and BWI? Jet blue with approx 55 aircraft may possily be able to redeploy some assets but hardly enough to make a dent. Humm......

The airline with the most to gain is the only one with out a single Embraer and NO plans of getting any. WN now has over 400+ jets, accepting what looks like one a week (if you have been out BFI, all you see is LUV tails). They could eaisly get Boeing to make more considering they currently have plans for a fleet of over 725 aircraft. They are the only airline with the assests and the mgt team that will allow them to redeploy into profitable new markets over night. Which airline has the stock piles of cash to negotiate and secure that many leases with the various municapalities? SWA will move in take what they want and the others will pick at the scraps. B6 a few gates at IAD, maybe Airtran gets a couple more at DFW. Neither airlines mgt team will break away from their curret philosophy to directly take on SWA, head to head.

So if all this capacity opens up, as you are suggesting. I am sure it will just remain vacant until the ERJ 190 fleet is up and running.
 
inatranceport said:
Dear Lowecur-

Could you please take some time out of your hectic psychic schedule and answer a quick question for me? OK!

I'm planning a rather large family party next year the first week in May. Don't worry, no one will show up. Remember, the last party you had was all BYOB, and people have a long memory. Could you please tell me what the weather will be for that week? No! Will the country still be around? Poland will still be here.

Thank you for your sharing your powers and deep insight for a non aviation interview question. You're welcome.

your "star is rising" friend forever,
inatranceport
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Don't expect a complete failure of ATA. They may exit or drastically reduce their scheduled service and might shed the 737 fleet but IMHO they will continue as a charter airline. The DOD uses ATA regularly and just awarded them more flying to be performed by the L-10 and 75 fleets. However, since the lowecur world consists only of scheduled major airlines who might be potential e-jet customers I guess ATA will be gone off his radar.
 
G4G5 said:
A 20% reduction by DAL & UAL of capacity hardly equates to a gate sale. Well as far as I can see DFW will have a major gate sale. UAL hasn't been forced to do the same, but they will in the next 12 months at various facilities. Maybe you can explain yourself, you tell us which gates at LGA DAL and UAL will surrender? DAL will give up zero, but I believe UAL will give up a gate. UAIR will surrender quite a few though in LGA and DCA. Look at Delta's & UAL's current LGA facility, they could eaisly reduce by 20% and not have to return a single gate. I agree. The same goes for BOS, SFO and DCA. BOS and SFO could see a few gates released by UAL and UAIR. They definitely will get back any gates that ATA has.

As far as DFW. I would look for the rath of AA to come into play. They can easly match any domestic fare war with AA Eagle pricing. I would also look for AA to try to aquire the DAL gates. this would allow them to move domestic feed closer to the new intl terminal (AA gets their way at DFW). Sorry, but DFW is not stupid enough to get into a similar situation like PIT. AA would love to surrender the current Eagle facility. Never happen. It would be a whole lot easier to move the regional flights to the A gates vs their current out post. So what appears to be extra capacity at DFW, is not.

So what you are really talking about is the additional capacity created by the departure of USAir and ATA. Let's see who is best suited to move in and take over MDW, PHL and BWI? Jet blue with approx 55 aircraft may possily be able to redeploy some assets but hardly enough to make a dent. Humm......Don't kid yourself

The airline with the most to gain is the only one with out a single Embraer and NO plans of getting any. We'll see bout that. WN now has over 400+ jets, accepting what looks like one a week (if you have been out BFI, all you see is LUV tails). They could eaisly get Boeing to make more considering they currently have plans for a fleet of over 725 aircraft. They are the only airline with the assests and the mgt team that will allow them to redeploy into profitable new markets over night. Which airline has the stock piles of cash to negotiate and secure that many leases with the various municapalities? SWA will move in take what they want and the others will pick at the scraps. B6 a few gates at IAD, maybe Airtran gets a couple more at DFW. Neither airlines mgt team will break away from their curret philosophy to directly take on SWA, head to head. I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself. WN certainly is the 800lb gorilla, and they are presently redeploying assets to more profitable markets, but I don't see them being able to monopolize any one airport like they used to. Don't forget that FL, F9, B6, AWA, Spirit, Flyi, and VUSA will have more new a/c coming on board in the next few years than WN. Airports are just not going to let any one airline monopolize their gates. Besides the bondholders will make sure that doesn't happen.

So if all this capacity opens up, as you are suggesting. I am sure it will just remain vacant until the ERJ 190 fleet is up and running. All I was predicting was that the independent regionals will have trouble surviving. The ones with significant fleets of RJ70/90's and Ejets will do quite nicely.;)
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Ah, but wouldn't that mean that the 'present' is ball bearings? Since it's all ball bearings these days? Which still leaves the future open to plastics, I think.
 
Bluto said:
Ah, but wouldn't that mean that the 'present' is ball bearings? Since it's all ball bearings these days? Which still leaves the future open to plastics, I think.
Semantics, nothing but filth and muck semantics!! It's Ball-bearings!!! Can plastics fix a fetzer valve? Ballbearings, oil, and gauze, that's all we need for the future!!!! ;-)
 
mach zero said:
Don't expect a complete failure of ATA. I don't. ATAH is a holding company, and can shut down the scheduled service and still maintain the charter service. They may exit or drastically reduce their scheduled service and might shed the 737 fleet but IMHO they will continue as a charter airline. Didn't I just say that? The DOD uses ATA regularly and just awarded them more flying to be performed by the L-10 and 75 fleets. However, since the lowecur world consists only of scheduled major airlines who might be potential e-jet customers I guess ATA will be gone off his radar. This is true.;)
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