Im Ready, UNION AT FLEX

[doh]

The reason for no bridge pay for the "large cabin international" is because "that is a completely different program"...according to Handschuch. Flexjet pilots flying Flexjet customers is now a completely different program...smh...

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Thought the Flight Options pilots should see what our ole buddy, and most favoritest manager, J. Ball-lic is saying on yammer. Someone made the statement that the union being voted in was all but a done deal. This was his response.

“If that were to happen, I don’t believe the FO CBA would be forced upon the combined pilot group. The IBT would most likely move to begin negotiations for a new CBA that would cover the new pilot group. In my experience In dealing with the IBT on the FO side, They are a group without integrity. They exists solely to sow discord between pilots and management.”

Great guy huh? For those of you that don’t know him J. Ball-lic, aka. Hitler youth because of his Hitler youth haircut and the way he barked at pilots who called him with problems, was a former manager at FO manager who was in charge of contract administration had to deal directly with the union. For a while the union got to tell him where to stick his pilot pushing, contract violating BS on almost a daily basis. It’s know wonder he doesn’t like the union.

But you should also know that he was one of the eight FO managers Kenn moved into the Globals right after DAC bought Flex. So this knob-gobbler is at the bottom of the Flex seniority list and jumped right over all of you out of seniority into the Global, but he has the balls to get on yammer and lecture you on how bad the union is. Come on.

 

[slowtation capt]

The IBT wouldn't most likely, it would be required!

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So I think the newCBA should have bridge pay for everyone that was bypassed. The precedent has been set when you are in the same fleet, but now the Flex Globals and gulfstreams are a separate operation within Flex? Divide and conquer.

 

[FracMonkey]

Bridge pay, at least as flex has done it, is paid when someone below you upgrades before you. Your daily rate is then paid at your captain rate going forward. You do not wait until you upgrade.

That was evidently the Bombardier way of doing things. The Kenn Ricci way is entirely different.

The right thing to do is offer bridge pay or bypass pay or whatever you want to call it, and that's what Bombardier did.....the right thing.

The KR way of doing things is if it's not legally enforceable, it can and likely will change. This is a warning to anyone on the Flex side of the house currently getting bridge pay: KENN CAN SUSPEND THAT AT ANY TIME!

Don't believe me? What happened to the STIP? And your 401(k) match? And your seniority?

Need I continue?

 

[doh]

I'm aware of that.

 

[luckydog]

This is a warning to anyone on the Flex side of the house currently getting bridge pay: KENN CAN SUSPEND THAT AT ANY TIME!

Don't believe me? What happened to the STIP? And your 401(k) match? And your seniority?

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

I hope your next revelation isn't that the Pilot Agreement isn't really a contract... we're already up to speed on that, thanks.

 

[pilotyip]

I hear Ken just got smacked in court for his anti-union activity, is that right?

 

[doh]

Yip, you are correct! All three reinstated and to be made financially whole.

 

[FracMonkey]

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

I hope your next revelation isn't that the Pilot Agreement isn't really a contract... we're already up to speed on that, thanks.

What's the matter, boo boo? Did the big bad Union just take the wind out of your anti union, anti Flight Options pilot sails?

 

[Brit]

Welcome back guys!

 

[jetwash]

So I think the newCBA should have bridge pay for everyone that was bypassed. The precedent has been set when you are in the same fleet, but now the Flex Globals and gulfstreams are a separate operation within Flex? Divide and conquer.

If Kenn wants to play his SFO game, I will not support any contract where I do not receive the same pay as one of his chosen ones who are behind me in seniority.

So go ahead Kenn play your games but in the end you will have to pay all of those who were bypassed the same pay rate as your chosen ones.

 

[The Architect]

DAC/Flexjet Violate Federal Law

During the Flight Options/RTA merger in 2002 the same executives were accused of RLA violations and found themselves in Federal Court. The settlement, for what is known as the "Fab 5," is said to have been seven-figures.

The facts are out... DRUM ROLL...

Flexjet/OneSky management found in violation of Federal Law. From the Union quoting the arbitrator's decision:

"All of the evidence suggests that the Carrier?s actions were, at least in part, motivated by anti-union animus. For the reasons outlined above, the Arbitrator finds that the Carrier violated the protections of the RLA by discharging three (3) strongly pro-union pilots in the middle of a union-organizing drive. There was no cause for the Carrier?s actions. The Arbitrator finds that the Carrier?s discharges of the Employees were unlawful because they were based on retaliation for what was a protected activity.

Turning to the issue of remedy, the Arbitrator finds that Captain XXXX, F/O XXXX and F/O XXXX should be reinstated to their former positions with the Carrier and made whole for any losses sustained as a result of management?s actions. While the Arbitrator recognizes that the Plaintiffs? Employment Agreements provide only for severance pay if the Carrier terminates them without cause, he nonetheless finds that reinstatement is warranted given the Carrier?s violation of the RLA. The Arbitrator retains jurisdiction to address any issues that may arise regarding the remedy in this case?"

There you have it.

The Flexjet and Flight Options pilot groups have a decision to make very soon. At least they'll know what it would be like working for this management without a CBA and the protections that come with it.

This is getting interesting now, isn't it?

 

[BlueNose]

Yip, you are correct! All three reinstated and to be made financially whole.

Please post the management announcement - you know, the one where they welcome the employees back and apologize for their unfair treatment - be sure and post that for us when it comes out.

 

[luckydog]

What's the matter, boo boo? Did the big bad Union just take the wind out of your anti union, anti Flight Options pilot sails?

thanks for your input but the grown ups are talking now....

 

[SDCFI]

Please post the management announcement - you know, the one where they welcome the employees back and apologize for their unfair treatment - be sure and post that for us when it comes out.

First someone has to put the ruling on yammer for all to see. There shouldn't be much risk now I mean they just got b!tch slapped so I doubt they'd try and fire them!

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

GUILTY on 6 counts of the RLA. The 3 terminated are to be made whole. The 3 that got warning letters in their files will get the letters removed. And how much money did this waste? I don't want to hear excuses about lack of funds when its time for the Options pilots long overdue raises.

 

[doh]

RH is trying to spin their reinstatement as a testament to the enforceability of the employment agreement. What a POS. it is strictly due to the IBT's commitment to justice. They are the ones who brought that dog to heel. Hanndchew actually instigated trying to fire them. The IBT smacked his snout with the newspaper. Bad dog!:laugh:

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GlorifiedCabbie
Can someone photo shop that one to put him in TEB? Thx in advance. GC

RH actually was in the bar at the Holiday Inn this week. He was there buying dinner (and trying to buy their votes). Two Options pilots were there and they had a conversation which eventually led to the subject of his role in the illegal firings of 3 Flex pilots. When confronted with the facts, RH had to leave embarrassed. BTW, RH is using someone else's money to buy dinner/try to restore his reputation, but the damage has been done. I will use MY money to buy the Flex pilots a drink.

I posted this on the wrong thread.

 

[The Architect]

Union at Flex

Has the violation of the Railway Labor Act caused any change in the Flexjet pilots that didn't feel a need for a "Union at Flex"?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Yes. The Flex pilots I have run into have seemed friendlier and less reluctant to express their sadness over what has happened to their company. There will always be the complainers. The Flex pilots are starting to see it is better to have a well thought out plan as opposed to just hoping for the best.

 

[The Architect]

High Numbers

I have been at Flex 17 years. Never though I needed a Union, but after loosing 3 PTO days, designated crew, uniform changes and now the 3% we had added to the 401K as a company bonus gone. I need to protect what I have before it is to late. I hear there will be pay cuts....
Someone put a union card in front of me.....

pcab,

Looks like things are definitely going your way.

The company is preparing for the loss, reviewing the current Flight Options pilots CBA provisions as they relate to the SLI.

The union is preparing for the win, selecting members for Flexjet and Flight Options committees to finalize the SLI and immediately begin negotiations for a new Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Targeting wages, rules and benefits beyond what Netjets pilots achieve is the expectation. A valid expectation as the pilot groups continue to unify.

 

[rajflyboy]

Unfortunately in this fractional business a union is a must.

Without it you will work more for less and your family will pay a major price for this.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I agree with you raj. When I joined Options, I had no idea all of the initial promises were nothing but hot air. As the vote gets closer, expect more propaganda from the office of Joe Goebbles

 

[Super_Cub_2414P]

Unfortunately in this fractional business a union is a must.

Without it you will work more for less and your family will pay a major price for this.

Thats not JUST this business its EVERY business, have a look at the so called Right to work states and you can see its a bunch of brainwashing to work for less money!