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man thanks alot i need encoragement from you guys...i'm seriously thinking about the whole changeing instructor...i will be patient as long as my nerves hold out...but i don't know how long it will last

like i said thanks alot guys for helping me out and trying to cheer me up...i pray that after a few weeks i'll be back to my ole self of can't waiting to get to the airport go up and fly and be free and feel good about myself...thanks guys C-ya
 
who writes the check?

I'm just now working on my commercial with the intention of continuing on for CFI and all that so these remarks are without the benefit of having walked a mile in an instructor's moccasins. That being said, why are you paying to be jerked around by some d$$$head?

In the military I've had plenty of flamers and had to put up with them because the Navy was paying me to learn to fly and there's that whole rank thing. But as a civilian student - one with the benefit of having had literally dozens of instructors over the years - I would no sooner write a check to some self-important dork who took the fun out of flying than take my sister up without a barf bag. You write the check, you're the customer, the instructor works for you. Tell the instructor (or the school) if they want to stay in your employ they need to get you with an instructor whose style permits you to learn from rather than fear dual received.
 
5280high

Don't sweat it. Like 1900capt said, its sounds like one of those days. The tougher the instructor is the more nervous you are going to get not to mention intimidated.

You will be just fine. You have just started so just hang in there. You will get used to your instructor, and realize something, that toughness is a good thing. Train hard, and don't forget to enjoy it. Training can be very fun. Learning new things etc.

Just hang in there. If all else fails just go to your instructors office and formely meet, and have a little chat, get to know each other a little better, that should ease some tension. It helps if you think of the instructor as a friend as well as an instructor. If you can joke around with the instructor (I don't mean doing zero G push overs when he or she is not expecting it, and things like that), instead of worrying about making tiny mistakes, the training will go more smoothly. Also mistakes are going to happen, accepting it is the first step, thats one reason why people do training.

Have a great one, and relax,
J.
 
How does your CFI treat you when you do well? I tend to be a 'tough' CFI with high standards and I get a little sharp when students routinely make the same mistake. However, when they do something well, I try to make them feel like the best pilot on Earth. Every critique must be balanced to be effective. Yelling is NEVER acceptable. Is it truly yelling or just a little gruffness?

Is he giving you things to go home and ponder every night? Are you doing it? Is he demonstrating the maneuvers you're having trouble with? A picture is worth a thousand words. This is why backseating is so valuable...free flight instruction. Take some time to do this, even if it means slowing your own flying down.

Flight instructors learn most of what they know by watching the same successes and mistakes over and over again. The same principle applies to backseaters on a smaller scale.

If he makes you uncomfortable on a routine basis, fly a few times with other CFI's and see what you think. Some students love having a tough instructor. Some need a little more of a confidence builder. This sounds like what you need, at least right now, while you make the adjustment. A really good CFI can read his students and play either role.

Above all, hang in there and work hard. I've not yet met anyone who can't succeed in flight training if they put the time in. I have met dozens who don't put the time in and blame everyone else for their failures. Don't become one of these. Some students must put in 12 hrs a day to succeed in a rigorous program. You should spend at least 4 hrs prepping for a 2 hr flight, IMO. Think about what you have to do, read everything you can find, talk to other students and CFI's, fly your sim at home to polish procedures, etc, etc. Make sure you get that pre and post flight brief.

Good luck!!
 
the guy has never yelled at me but he get sarcastist and i can tell that he is gettin pissed...i'll go through some things with you guys about what happens and i want you to tell me what you think...

ok first day i was brand new to the 141 school here and also to the plane...i start up and get ready to go everything is fine he runs through systems with me and shows me how the radios work and so on...i have alot of problems starting off tryin to taxi the plane its a tiger and to be honest day three and i'm still not that good at it...everything the guy trys to tell me i try and accknowlge what he says...unfortantly i cut him off sometimes in the process...he then told me that i should just tell him what he said...like he says turn to 360 i'm like 360...i dont' say anything now unless he asks me something...

unless i have a question but when i ask him he gives me this fustrated answer...so i really don't talk that much in the cockpit now. day two i call up for a radio check the guy at the fbo answers me and i say roger thanks alot...he tells me that im' throwing roger around very loosely and that its gettin old...i'm like ok i remeber reading somewere were the far's said that roger isn't supose to be use for a yes or no affrimtive and negative are the words...

now when the guy tells me to do something i nod my head and dont' say a word i'm really affraid to...and like JBHewlett said the interns makes my flying go to crud...when the flight is done he always tells me things i did good and thens i need to improve
on...after the flight it seems like he is a totally diff person..thats why i think he is a good instructor b/c he trys to better me...but it can't be good not to be able to carry on a comfortable converstion with you instructor...

well i'm tired i gotta get some sleep...thanks for the support guys
 
Ok first off

The cutting off thing happens. Are you away from home? I know thats kind of a weird question. The only reason I ask is because, when you are away from home, the stress can really build up, being in a different place. If you are not away from home, then the stress of a different training environment can really add up.

I can tell you right now that your use of the word "Roger" is correct. When you ask for the radio check and the gentlemen in the FBO responded with "loud and clear", "roger" was the correct response on your end. Roger means "I have understood your transmission". Thats pretty much all it means. There is another word that is in use right now and that word is "Wilco". Wilco means "I have understood your transmission and I will comply with it". Affirmative means yes, and Negitive means no.

It is good in post flight, that your instructor is commending you on a good job. That is a good thing.

Just hang in there,
J.
 
All I can say to that is...you should feel comfortable asking any question to your CFI. Often, the airplane is not the place to ask it though, at least in certain phases of flight. Remember, although you are flying, he is very busy watching you, looking for traffic, listening to the radio, trying to teach, etc. Write down a list of questions and sit down with him before the flight. I sit down with all of my new students and discuss things for hours before we ever fire up the airplane for the first time together. Also, nobody minds answering questions once but I expect the student to study and know the answer next time.

What rating are you working on? It is sometimes frustrating to a CFI to reteach things that should already be known. If he is having to redo your private, you should be doing lots of ground time with him to ensure you know what to do before you get up there and blow tons of cash. The questions you are asking will be much less frustrating on the ground. Many 141 CFI's are not too keen on the ground side of things as we all love to fly. How much ground time have you put in with him? How much do you put in on your own before and after each flight?
 
CFI demeanor

For one thing, an instructor should not yell. I learned to fly in a 172 that did not have an intercom. My instructor did not have a naturally loud voice, so when he was trying to say something to me, he was shouting and it sounded like yelling. I don't liked to be yelled at, even if it is unintentional, and I probably reacted to him more than what he was saying. On the ground, he was just fine, just like your instructor. Just the same, I vowed never to yell at a student when I became a flight instructor. To the best of my recollection, I never did yell. I tried to be consistent in the airplane and away from it. It helped that my airplanes had intercoms.

Sarcasm? I can be very sarcastic. However, my initial approach when instructing and critiquing would be to just provide the facts in a dispassionate manner. Sometimes, after a student keeps making the same mistakes, I tried to say it differently. If that didn't work, sometimes I resorted to sarcasm to try to make the point clearly. Law of intensity.

I have to agree with 172driver about it being frustrating to give remedial instruction. You assume that someone with a Private certificate possesses certain minimum knowledge. Of course, we all know what "ass-u-me" means. It is disappointing to get a student who seemingly knows nothing and have to teach it again. That's why I preferred to have students who started in the program in which I was teaching, because I knew what knowledge they possessed. But, that doesn't mean that a new entrant cannot get up to speed and learn the program. It may mean that person has to do some extra studying.

Once again, I suspect that you have a good instructor. You were aware of his reputation for competency. Conscientious instructors strive to build that kind of reputation. Stay with it. As I said above, going from a learn-at-your-own-pace FBO situation to an intense and standardized 141 program can be major culture shock. I know. I earned my ratings with private instructors who owned their own airplanes and my first flying job was with ERAU, which was extremely structured. I had to summon up discipline and learn to believe in procedures that seemed anal and unnecessary because I was never taught them. I embraced them after I understood the rationale behind them and wished I had been taught that way when I was learning how to fly.

Once again, good luck with your training.
 
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Make the MOST of your pre and post-flight briefings. If you are unsure of a procedure or method, get it squared away BEFORE you get back into the airplane, or at least before you taxi. If you are taxiing a Grumman, you have my sympathy.

Try a spoonful of sugar. When you are not in the airplane, tell your instructor how you have heard of the great job he does, and that you want to learn everything the right way. Ask him to help you develop a study pattern that will best prepare you for each flight. How did he do it? What did he have trouble with? What are his secrets of success? Tell him you want to be a VERY good pilot, and you want his HELP!

Get him to become your ally, and he will seem to change a lot from your perspective, and you will start to look forward to your flights.
 
i'm currently working on my int and comm with the same guy...yea this is the first time i have been away from home...i really do not have a sit down time to talk to the guy...its i show up see what plane i have and then go out and preflight...now after the flight we have a little bit but usally he has other students after me

i don't really sit down with like a panel or anything to help me with the plane...however i think an aweful lot about the way things were done and what i need to do...i just got out of my int ground class usally spend about an hour and a half there...as far as comm i really don't have any classes right now to be in but i usally think about how he wants things done...

i pray that he isn't going over stuff again that i did in my private...i really hope i'm not that bad of a pilot right now...

whenever i fly i do the best i can...and it doesn't bother me much when he is on me in the plane...its just the dread of knowing i have this guy everyday...well i'm just gonna sack it up and get my rateings...then almost all my problems will be solved...i have a plan for next week..however this weekend i'm gonna relax and prepare for next week...thanks guys happy flying!!
 
makeing progress

whats up guys...thought i would drop a line to tell you how things are going...its been two weeks and i'm still hanging in there...i have found out that no matter who your dealing with the instrutor will be the same...he is a very hard instrutor but he is to everyone i finally believe that guy is trying to help and not drive me crazy...i've also decided that everytime he gets on me its b/c he wants to drive something in my mind to remeber...in any case like 12 weeks i'll be instrument rated and not haveing to be with that guy for everyday...

anyway i think i have my confidence back...i'm not as a bad of a pilot as i thought a couple weeks ago...i went on some cross countrys this weekend(solo) that kindof rekendled my love of flying....i was at this airport and went in to close my flight plan and went back out to the plane to get some stuff and boom there was two very nice piltauses<---i know i misspelled that....and the people were really nice and it was good to know i could go somewhere i could just talk to people about flying and it was jsut really cool....well thats all for me i'm gonna go chill out for a little bit and i'll see you guys later.
 
Hang in there . . .

See?? I told you once before it would get better.

Granted, there are some CFIs who are sadists, but most want to see their students excel and push them so they do excel. Just prepare as well as possible for your lessons and you'll be pleased with yourself at how well you do.

Once again, best of luck with your training.
 
bobbysamd hey thanks alot for the help...i know sometimes talking to the little guys is hard but we thank you so much for it.

thanks man
 
Little guys??!!??

Twenty years ago, at age 31, I was a "little guy," too. I never forgot how hard I worked learning to fly. And, some of my happiest days in aviation were spent working with folks like you.

Once more, best of luck with your training.
 
Bobby, I'm about 1/2 an inch shorter than when I was 31.

I guess I'm turning into one of the "little guys"!

Good luck, 5280.
 

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