I'm Back, no college degree required

[Buckeye]

Oh this is getting good. I think I will put some popcorn on and see what happens. JUS pilot is bitter, I don't think he could get another flying job.

 

[pilotyip]

make it micro-wave, you won't have to wait so long then

 

[avbug]

It seems the people at this site believe all non-degreed people are losers and degreed people are superior. BTW most of the people on this site so narrow minded they cannot stand someone having a different option that they do, so I am unfairly beat up because of my beliefs. BTW A degree plays a part in social interfunction and understanding certain aspects of social interaction. You don't think you can develope these skills in other social settings such as an Officer in the military?

Yip, seeing as you hold advanced degrees, you really have no place to talk.

I certainly don't believe that individuals who don't hold a degree are "losers." I don't believe individuals with degrees are "superior."

Then again, where you don't have a leg to stand on with respect to the matter, I do. How ironic is that?

As far as becoming an officer in the military...generally speaking...that requires a degree.

Let's not forget that the "trade school" of which you speak, into which your grandson hopes to go...is a military academy...to get a degree.

Time to call a spade, a spade. The only problem for you, in your crusade, is that you really have no right to talk. After all...you hold a degree.

 

[AC560]

It seems the people at this site believe all non-degreed people are losers and degreed people are superior. BTW most of the people on this site so narrow minded they cannot stand someone having a different option that they do, so I am unfairly beat up because of my beliefs.

No most people on this forum disagree with you counseling people to forgo getting a degree. I can't think of a single incident where somebody has shown disdain for people without degrees. If anything you seem to be the one with a disdian for people with degrees. For the record I never attended college.

You don't think you can develope these skills in other social settings such as an Officer in the military?

Somebody can correct me on this but I believe you need a degree to be an officer in the military these days.

 

[pilotyip]

It has been posted that I am anti-college degree. Nothing cold is further from the truth. The country needs all the college-educated citizens it can have, its raises the level of knowledge to keep this as the greatest country in the world. Real degrees in business, engineering, the sciences, math, and medicine provide a graduate with marketable skills. If you are going to go to college, get a real degree from a real university. Do not spend four years getting a degree in Women’s Studies. The college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Many have posted they agree it has nothing to do with the mastering on an airplane. I have admitted that the possession of a degree may open doors at a few select places of employment in the airline industry. If a potential pilot feels they will only be pleased in life if they get an interview with FedEx, then that prospective pilot should go to college. If a prospective pilots just loves flying airplanes, and would be happy making $70-$100K per year with no debt from college loans, a college degree is not necessary. Many prospective pilots may be steered into attending college when they are not college material, not because of a lack basic intelligence, but because it is not important to them. These pilots want to get on with their lives flying airplanes. I have seen too many non-degreed pilots reach a good career position with out a degree. But then my focus is on job satisfaction and not upon pay, respect, and prestige. It is about the joy of flying an airplane. Others out there may feel the same motivation I do. My advice is go to school part time or community college and fly, pilots get hired because they have flight time. Flt time moves you up the food chain to better jobs; the degree is not needed until the last step. You can go to school part time with a full time flying job, you cannot build real flight time while going to school full time. I have seen non-degreed guys go to the Nationals in their mid-20’s.

 

[Way2Broke]

Yip,

But the good times in college all involve "Women's Studies."

 

[avbug]

If a prospective pilots just loves flying airplanes, and would be happy making $70-$100K per year with no debt from college loans, a college degree is not necessary.

No, just in debt from flight loans...and making 70 grand isn't something likely to happen, especially for the non-grad, for 10-15 years at a minimum. I can tell you right now...it still hasn't happened for me, and it's been a lot longer than that.

Again, given your multiple degrees...who are you to talk on this subject. As the holder of a master's degree, you're not qualified.

 

[pilotyip]

Ojt Ok

Yip,

But the good times in college all involve "Women's Studies."

yea but you can get on top of this using OJT

 

[ATRCAPT]

Not everyone that has a college degree is smart and there are people with no college degree that are smarter than average.

I fully agree with this. My sister-in-law has her Doctorate and she's the biggest moron you could ever hope to meet. Couldn't find Iraq on a map if her shallow life depended on it, but she can sure tell you where the nearest mall is!

As far as the college thing goes. When the economy is hot and the airlines are struggling to fill classes the college degree is the first thing to go. When the economy is not so hot and applicants are a dime a dozen the degree suddenly becomes very important.

 

[thunderworm]

how would having more education not make you smater? i think those who have gone and completed a degree are on average smarter than those who did not. just on the basis that you have to get into college and they usually don't accept morons. that being said i do not think that one has to go to college to do well in life and that college is becoming less and less required. trade school dosen't get the respect it deserves.

 

[pilotyip]

Absolutetly

how would having more education not make you smater? i think those who have gone and completed a degree are on average smarter than those who did not. just on the basis that you have to get into college and they usually don't accept morons. that being said i do not think that one has to go to college to do well in life and that college is becoming less and less required. trade school dosen't get the respect it deserves.

Bingo this guy gets the big picture; you get an education to allow you to pursue a career. Trade schools are often overlooked as a source of a solid career. You get an education to get a job; education does not come only from attending a college. It can come from trade schools, the military or an apprenticeship. Look on Js.firm.com, an aviation job web site. Where are most of the jobs on that site, the maintenance area? BTW I am not sure smarter and college are the same.

 

[AceCrackshot]

Secondarily my pilot heroes did not have college degrees and they performed feats that would test the metal of anyone...How can anyone say these guys without degrees were not as good as today’s degreed pilots?

It would be "test the METTLE" as in character, temperment, ardor, etc.

Just something I picked up in college.

Personally, I'd make the JAA ATP academics the standard. There would be fewer pilots.

 

[pilotyip]

It would be "test the METTLE" as in character, temperment, ardor, etc.

Just something I picked up in college.

Personally, I'd make the JAA ATP academics the standard. There would be fewer pilots.

I went to college; never picked that up, then again my fourth grade techer wnated to hold me back for bad sppleeeing, but I had won the school "Math Bee" and it woundln't loook good.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

It would be "test the METTLE" as in character, temperment, ardor, etc.

Just something I picked up in college.

Personally, I'd make the JAA ATP academics the standard. There would be fewer pilots.

The mettle of metallurigsts testing metal most of the time makes more money. Huh?

 

[AceCrackshot]

I went to college; never picked that up, then again my fourth grade techer wnated to hold me back for bad sppleeeing, but I had won the school "Math Bee" and it woundln't loook good.

Get your money back, I guess.

That said, it probably never came up during the Alpha Crew oral exam in the P2V.

Call me "the Grammar Nazi."