TDTurbo (& Hovernut),
Your examiner may not have caught the error, but the regulation is quite clear. Only the holder of a flight instructor certificate with an instrument rating ("CFII") may provide instrument instruction toward the instrument rating.
14 CFR 61.195(c) specifically states that a flight instreuctor who provides instrument flight training for the issuance of an instrument rating must hold an instrument rating on his or her flight instructor certificate ("CFII") and pilot certificate (appropriate to the catogory of aircraft to be used).
The cross country requirement found under 61.65(d)(2)(iii) is instrument training for the issuance of the instrument rating. It is required training for this rating, and MUST be provided by the holder of a CFII.
A flight instructor without an instrument rating may not provide the instrument training specified under 61.65. The examiner who recognizes this fact isn't a "dick," but one who understands and observes the regulations which govern his or her job.
To further support this, below is a copied Legal Interpretation by the FAA Chief Counsel, which is an official interpretation on the regulation. It is binding, and defensible.
FEB. 28, 1980
MRS. M. J. RUTH
Dear Mrs. Ruth:
This is in response to your letter in which you ask what are the appropriate instructor ratings required by the Federal Aviation Regulations for flight instruction in a simulator.
The following regulations provide for the crediting of flight instruction in a simulator toward required flight instruction.
Section 61.65 requires an applicant for an instrument rating to have at least 40 hours of simulated or actual instrument time, of which not more than 20 hours may be instrument instruction by an authorized instructor in an instrument ground trainer acceptable to the Administrator. These 20 hours may be given by ground instructor with an instrument ground instructor rating or by an instrument flight instructor.
Section 61.129(b)(2)(i) requires an applicant for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane rating to have at least 10 hours of instrument instruction, of which 5 hours must be in flight in airplanes. The 5 hours which may be given in a simulator may only be given by a ground instructor with an instrument ground instructor rating or by an instrument flight instructor.
The appendices of Part 141, Schools and Other Certificated Agencies, allow certain flight training and instruction to be given in a pilot ground trainer that meets the requirements of section 141.41(a)(1) or (2). Section 141.33(a)(3) requires that instructors used for this instruction must hold a flight or ground instructor certificate as appropriate. The appropriate certificates and ratings for instruction in a ground trainer are as follows:
1. For a private pilot certification course (airplanes) [section 3(a) of Appendix A], a ground instructor certificate with any rating or a flight instructor certificate with an airplane rating.
2. For an instrument rating course (airplanes) [section 3 of Appendix C], a ground instructor certificate with an instrument ground instructor rating or a flight instructor certificate with an instrument rating.
3. For a commercial pilot certification course (airplanes) or a commercial test course (airplanes) [section 3 of Appendix D and section 4 of Appendix E], a ground instructor certificate with an advanced ground instructor rating or an instrument ground instructor rating, or a flight instructor certificate with an airplane rating.
We hope this information will be helpful to you.
Sincerely,
EDWARD P. FABERMAN
Acting Assistant Chief Counsel
Regulations and Enforcement Division
Your examiner may not have caught the error, but the regulation is quite clear. Only the holder of a flight instructor certificate with an instrument rating ("CFII") may provide instrument instruction toward the instrument rating.
14 CFR 61.195(c) specifically states that a flight instreuctor who provides instrument flight training for the issuance of an instrument rating must hold an instrument rating on his or her flight instructor certificate ("CFII") and pilot certificate (appropriate to the catogory of aircraft to be used).
The cross country requirement found under 61.65(d)(2)(iii) is instrument training for the issuance of the instrument rating. It is required training for this rating, and MUST be provided by the holder of a CFII.
A flight instructor without an instrument rating may not provide the instrument training specified under 61.65. The examiner who recognizes this fact isn't a "dick," but one who understands and observes the regulations which govern his or her job.
To further support this, below is a copied Legal Interpretation by the FAA Chief Counsel, which is an official interpretation on the regulation. It is binding, and defensible.
FEB. 28, 1980
MRS. M. J. RUTH
Dear Mrs. Ruth:
This is in response to your letter in which you ask what are the appropriate instructor ratings required by the Federal Aviation Regulations for flight instruction in a simulator.
The following regulations provide for the crediting of flight instruction in a simulator toward required flight instruction.
Section 61.65 requires an applicant for an instrument rating to have at least 40 hours of simulated or actual instrument time, of which not more than 20 hours may be instrument instruction by an authorized instructor in an instrument ground trainer acceptable to the Administrator. These 20 hours may be given by ground instructor with an instrument ground instructor rating or by an instrument flight instructor.
Section 61.129(b)(2)(i) requires an applicant for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane rating to have at least 10 hours of instrument instruction, of which 5 hours must be in flight in airplanes. The 5 hours which may be given in a simulator may only be given by a ground instructor with an instrument ground instructor rating or by an instrument flight instructor.
The appendices of Part 141, Schools and Other Certificated Agencies, allow certain flight training and instruction to be given in a pilot ground trainer that meets the requirements of section 141.41(a)(1) or (2). Section 141.33(a)(3) requires that instructors used for this instruction must hold a flight or ground instructor certificate as appropriate. The appropriate certificates and ratings for instruction in a ground trainer are as follows:
1. For a private pilot certification course (airplanes) [section 3(a) of Appendix A], a ground instructor certificate with any rating or a flight instructor certificate with an airplane rating.
2. For an instrument rating course (airplanes) [section 3 of Appendix C], a ground instructor certificate with an instrument ground instructor rating or a flight instructor certificate with an instrument rating.
3. For a commercial pilot certification course (airplanes) or a commercial test course (airplanes) [section 3 of Appendix D and section 4 of Appendix E], a ground instructor certificate with an advanced ground instructor rating or an instrument ground instructor rating, or a flight instructor certificate with an airplane rating.
We hope this information will be helpful to you.
Sincerely,
EDWARD P. FABERMAN
Acting Assistant Chief Counsel
Regulations and Enforcement Division
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