IFR equipment question

[be76pilot]

P.S. From my last msg., you also need to consider night VFR required equipment, which I learned with the following acronym:

S Spare set of fuses
L Landing light
E Electrical source
A Anti-collision light
P Position lights


All right, back to the original question........

 

[be76pilot]

Just in case anyone wants an acronym for IFR flight, its everthing that is required for VFR day and night, and the following acronym:

G Generator or Alternator
R Radios: 2-way
A An altitude reporting altimeter
B Ball (inclinometer)
C Clock:digital or sweeping second hand
A Attitude indicator
R Rate of turn indicator: Turn coordinator or turn and slip ind.
D DME: If above FL240 using VORs for navigation.
D Directional gyro: Heading indicator, ect.

 

[flyboycpa]

Don't want to be to off the subject here, but all MEL's aside, its not TOMATO FLAMES that you use as an acronym for VFR required equpment, its A TOMATO FLAMES. The A is for anticollision light, which can be either a rotating beacon or strobe lights. You also have to remember the flotation device and pyrotecnic device required if operating beyond gliding distance from the shore, while carrying passengers for hire.

-my 2 cents

So....

Are you saying that if I'm in the Cub or Champ during the day that I'm not legal to operate at all since I have no electrical system and therefore no lights? The lights are only if NIGHT VFR, not just all VFR. Just curious. I don't have the reg in front of me to quote from.

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[be76pilot]

Hey flyboy, sorry about the confusion here. The A in A TOMATO FLAMES is for anti-collision light (rotating beacon or strobe light), which is a required peice of aircraft lighting equipment during day VFR, if your plane was certificated after March 11, 1996. I forgot to mention that little catch to the anti-collision light rule for day VFR flight. I do not know much about the cub or champ, but my best guess leads me to believe that they were not certificated after March 11, 1996. Therefore, you would not need to have the anti-collision light on your proposed acft during day VFR flight. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Are you saying that if I'm in the Cub or Champ during the day that I'm not legal to operate at all since I have no electrical system and therefore no lights? The lights are only if NIGHT VFR, not just all VFR. Just curious. I don't have the reg in front of me to quote from.

Nah. The extra "A" at the beginning of the acronym was added to account for 91.209 which says that if your aircraft =has= anticollision lights, you must have them turned on, day or night. Your Cub or Champ doesn't have them, so you don't need them during the day.

Just another problem with the acronym. When the rules change, someone has to mess the acronym to fit, and even then, as your example points out, it's =still= wrong!

 

[midlifeflyer]

Hey flyboy, sorry about the confusion here. The A in A TOMATO FLAMES is for anti-collision light (rotating beacon or strobe light), which is a required piece of aircraft lighting equipment during day VFR, if your plane was certificated after March 11, 1996.

I think that's still not correct. Yes, airplanes certified after March 1996 must have anticollision lights, but the reason for adding the "A" to the mnemonic (for those who use it) is to account for the change in 91.209 requiring an airplane that has anticollision lights operate them, day or night, no matter when the airplane was certified (unless the PIC determines it would be safer to have them off)