If you commute on SWA ....

[viking737]

Do you let me preboard. NO so stop complaining and if you dont like it go jump on someone else. I cant believe we are having this conversation. These passengers pay our salary, they get first crack period.

Bravodude.
if you jumpseat on my flight I will tell the agent
to let you and any other jumpseaters preboard,
and if there is a First Class seat available when
everyone has boarded, you will get to sit in it.

 

[canyonblue]

and if there is a First Class seat available when everyone has boarded, you will get to sit in it.

Hardly ever happens on American. While I can say that the AA pilots have been extremely accommodating when I have used them, it's the AA F/A's that never allow you to sit in First Class even if it is empty.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

Let me see if i get this straight. you would rather preboard and sit in a window or isle seat and force a passenger who pays your salary to sit in the middle seat. RIIIIGHT! Geez i think you forgot who pays our salary its not swa its the passengers who buy tickets on us and deserve first crack.

let's look at historyther airlines that put the pax 'first' v. swa, who put their employees 'first'.

note:not meant as a dis to any other airline, i believe that in any business employees are the biggest asset, or biggest liability. ya' gotta look out for your biggest asset. yep, it's business.

 

[bravodude]

Hey Sh!t for brains, my company afforded you the oportunity of multiple jumpseats long before SWA changed it's policy on the matter. AWA had a very liberal jumpseat policy long before most other airlines in this industry. In the past, I was bumped more than once from a half empty SWA airplane. So maybe you should be the one to go "pound sand"! I don't need SWA to get to work. I almost never ride them anymore (once in the last two years). My comments are mainly regarding SWA's treatment of there own pilots in this matter. If you do work for SWA, then they must have really lowered their standards in the last few years. Idiot.

If you don't ride on us then why are you on this thread. I know swa treats us pilots sooo badly man oh man I need to find a new job.

 

[bravodude]

Bravodude.
if you jumpseat on my flight I will tell the agent
to let you and any other jumpseaters preboard,
and if there is a First Class seat available when
everyone has boarded, you will get to sit in it.

Thanks but how could you. If you have assigned seating than where will I sit. I still have to wait for every revenue pax to board so I can find a seat.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

Thanks but how could you. If you have assigned seating than where will I sit. I still have to wait for every revenue pax to board so I can find a seat.

have you ever jumpseated on an airline?

 

[StaySeated]

Jesus why is this even a debate? SWA crews, always awesome, SWA gate agents, nicer than my own airline. What the f are we arguing about here, you don't get to skip the line? Flight Info does more to lower the bar than skybus and va combined. We sound like a bunch of little girls fighting over a barbie doll. Grow the fack up and appreciate your ride home. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. rant over.

 

[MalteseX]

It Is More Difficult

I J/S SWA all the time and I really, really appreciate the ride. It's always been great and every crew has been excellent. I've never had any bad experiences on the J/S with SWA.
The new policy is more difficult for the loading process however. I used to pre-board, talk to the Capt AND F/O, introduce myself, ask for the J/S-- and thank them. Ask the lead F/A where she wants me to sit (if in cabin) and get out of the way in a mid seat---always ready to go up front when called (if the plane was full). This worked great.
However, on the last 2 flights, the cabin was not full. I was issued an "A" boarding card with the J/S slip. I boarded with the A group. The first time, the Capt wasn't up front so I went to the back, put up my bag, and had to wait until the entire aircraft filled up before the 3 J/S guys went up front to ask the Capt's permission. On the way up front, a few more people came in, resulting in a jam.... then went up front, did the begging, and returned to the back---and had to displace the "aisle sitter" to sit in the middle.
Horrible problem? NO. However, the process seemed to be better from a loading standpoint before the change. And the plane was loaded quicker/easier before the change.
This change may be more for "political" reasons than for pure "process" reasons. But it doesn't seem to help the loading of the aircraft UNLESS you don't turn left to ask the Capt's permission.

 

[ERJFO]

Does this have anything to do with SWA being in negotiations?

 

[cactus]

Does this have anything to do with SWA being in negotiations?

Of course it does. It is all about unilaterally taking away benefits. That is why I said you would have to be a sap to give up a positive space DH seat (for the jumpseat) for a revenue pax. Some of these coolaid drinkers on here don't get it.

 

[ivauir]

Does this have anything to do with SWA being in negotiations?

Sure looks that way doesn't it?

 

[cactus]

If you don't ride on us then why are you on this thread. I know swa treats us pilots sooo badly man oh man I need to find a new job.

Do you own this thread? Keep drinking the coolaid that will get you a great contract. You really don't get it do you?

 

[FlyinGuy]

No this is not about negotiations. There are people that are in one of the thousand VP positions that thought this would be a good idea. The people in the G.O. do not know what it is like on the line. Nor do they care. The jumpseat is the Captains and it has been taken away from him by some number cruncher in a small cube somewhere. I think that this might be a big uniter among the pilots...hopefully!

 

[GuppyWN]

bravodude. Get over it man. This is the dawn of a new age at SWA. Won't be long it will be us vs. them. As of this very instant - I'm done. I know I should rise above, be the better man, kill 'em with kindness or any of that "other" crap they spew but they have pissed me off royaly with this one. I give these guys everything I've got while I'm at work and talk 'em up when I'm not at work.

Well - screw them. Until they lead by example and truly treat the employees like their "most valued customer" I'm done.

I'll board last but when my bag doesn't make it with me don't blame me.

"cheerfully",
Gup

 

[airlinepilot]

I exchanged emails with the CP and the Dom rep....Neither the CP's or SWAPA was asked for imput on this issue. The Dom Rep said the union was looking into it and would have something out this week.....we will see

 

[cactus]

bravodude. Get over it man. This is the dawn of a new age at SWA. Won't be long it will be us vs. them. As of this very instant - I'm done. I know I should rise above, be the better man, kill 'em with kindness or any of that "other" crap they spew but they have pissed me off royaly with this one. I give these guys everything I've got while I'm at work and talk 'em up when I'm not at work.

Well - screw them. Until they lead by example and truly treat the employees like their "most valued customer" I'm done.

I'll board last but when my bag doesn't make it with me don't blame me.

"cheerfully",
Gup

Finally somone who gets it.

 

[walkthasky]

cry babies

 

[SWA tech]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GuppyWN
bravodude. Get over it man. This is the dawn of a new age at SWA. Won't be long it will be us vs. them. As of this very instant - I'm done. I know I should rise above, be the better man, kill 'em with kindness or any of that "other" crap they spew but they have pissed me off royaly with this one. I give these guys everything I've got while I'm at work and talk 'em up when I'm not at work.

Well - screw them. Until they lead by example and truly treat the employees like their "most valued customer" I'm done.

I'll board last but when my bag doesn't make it with me don't blame me.

"cheerfully",
Gup

Finally somone who gets it.

Yea how to ******************** up a good thing

 

[MalteseX]

What happened to me today on SWA J/S

SWA guys. I want to start off by saying THANKS again for the J/S. Really really appreciate it---you guys have always been great.

Just a little report and follow-up to my last post. I J/S on 2 legs to get to work today. On both legs I asked the gate agent when they wanted me to board. They said what's printed on the boarding pass. OK. I then asked both (in different cities) how they wanted me to stay out of the flow when I was asking for the Capt's permission. Both told me that 1. Not only did I not need the Capt's permission but 2. THey requested that I specifially NOT go up there and ask to keep the flow going AND to get the message that the Capt didn't OWN the seats.

Remember this was from 2 different agents in 2 separate cities.

P.S. (I didn't argue with them, I just thanked them---but I didn't heed their instructions and DID ask permission from the Capt who, in fact, DOES control the J/S. -- however, on one leg, another guy who was offline J/S as well, never went up to ask the capt)

 

[pw4000]

They hit it on the head "the Capt does not own the seats or the j/s" he may have say but it is what it is. Wake up boys SWA fangs are put to make money. It's a new deal so suck it up and quit crying

 

[ivauir]

Finally somone who gets it.

Yea how to ******************** up a good thing

The only people ****ing up a good thing work at the GO.

 

[Frap]

They hit it on the head "the Capt does not own the seats or the j/s" he may have say but it is what it is. Wake up boys SWA fangs are put to make money. It's a new deal so suck it up and quit crying

Aw man, are we gonna go THIS argument again??

 

[Dude]

I have commuted and lived in domicile at SWA. Living in domicile is a better program for me, personally. On occasion, I will pick something up and be a momentary commuter and ALWAYS appreciate the ride. If I am forced to ride in the high-chair or on the fourth, I don't care. I had rather not be uncomfortable but I want to get home. It would be nice if the Captain had the discretion that he used to, but these are the new procedures and until it is changed through a diplomatic and equitable process, either get on and be thankful or change your vacancy bid.

This discussion has merit but the tone is very sour and if you fellas want to "screw" the company, please give your chief pilot your notice. This mentality has done wonders for every other airline in existence so please go apply so that you can suck the soul out of its operation. I want this policy changed and I believe that it will very soon. The negotiations comment was ridiculous. I am sure that PCL and a few others will join in for an ALPA "screw them" circle-jerk. Pardon me for not taking recommendations from ALPA folks on how to prove a point to their company. Their demonstrated "expertise" has gotten the ALPA pilot a lot lately, hasn't it?

I do not doubt that often in airline GO's some dude listens to someone out at the airport and says, "that's a great idea". Then after that idea materializes into a procedure it's loathed by the masses and is short-lived. It's hard for those folks to understand the gravity of their decisions when they do not work in the environment. This "idea" will most likely be gone as quickly as it arrived.

 

[ivauir]

... either get on and be thankful or change your vacancy bid.
.... please give your chief pilot your notice. This mentality has done wonders for every other airline in existence so please go apply so that you can suck the soul out of its operation.....

I have bad news for you "dude". All of the chief pilot positions are already filled.

The employees are not the ones sucking the soul out of anything, but something sure sucks. If you want to think that this happening during our negotiations is a coincidence, go ahead. But it is intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers that management is testing our resolve and unity. i encourage everyone to communicate with your management (in the most professional and calm manor) your dissatisfaction with this policy. Then go provide the Positively Outrageous Service that has become our hallmark.

I don't think it is time to "screw" anybody (except us apparently), but I think it is time to find my black tie... I may need to soon. Herb has always said to "keep you powder dry". Smart guy.

 

[GuppyWN]

I'm trying bro but this monster has a firm grasp on my givea********************ter right now.

I called the union and my Chief Pilot. He said they're getting swamped with calls.

Good.

Gup

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

What Gup said, both union and chief swamped when called yesterday.

 

[lifeguard]

Can someone give me 2 good, valid reasons wht it is NECASSARY to have the captains permission to J/S?
Besides tradition. The gate agents have all the technology to check out a J/S before they board.

 

[airlinepilot]

DON'T FIX IT IF IT ISN'T BROKE.....the way we were doing things worked well (getting Jumpseaters onboard before boarding). There is not 1 SWA Capt that wouldn't go up stairs and bring down Jumpseaters 5 or 10 mins before the agents were ready to board. This is really a control issue between many of the agents and the tradition of the Capt.

 

[Vegaspilot99]

Captain should be able to make the call...its his aircraft, not the gate agents.

 

[Irishav8r]

Sorry Fellas! This whole conversation needs to be on the SWAPA forum; not here.