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[niteflyr]

Exactly Tutt.


"The new MEC running is a good mix of retired and furloughed airline folks"
This doesn't exactly instill confidence in me, sorry. I am not and do not want to work at an airline. Is that what we want at NetJets? Furloughed, Bankrupt and a union that only gives a rats A$$ about the senior guys? They probably will get elected and then they are in for a big suprise when they hit the same brick wall the current committee has already hit.

 

[Lrjet55]

niteflyr,

Your concerns are understandable. I cannot tell you everything is going to be peachy but the guys that are running did some great things at their former companies. None of them are "looking out" for the senior guys. In fact they are all 2 to 4 year guys.

They want to make NJA responsible for their actions. Thats it! They arent promising miracles. They havent looked at the books and dont know what the company can spend. They do know more of an aggresive approach could, and I stress could, do some good. Time will tell.

I never voted for the current morons but I will vote for these guys. I have complete and total faith in them. At the very least our quality of life should improve.

 

[AA717driver]

Funny, the only time my union DIDN'T give everything to the senior guys was when I was senior...

F*** ALPA!

Not that I'm bitter...TC

 

[niteflyr]

Trying to make sense...for Griz..

Estimated seniority of post 9/11 pilots - 1250

Estimated hiring in the next year 900

Bringing total pilot in the next year to 2700+

Hiring beyond this next year???? Hard to say who will be senior or not.



I guess you're right, lets bring in some pissed off wishing they were Airline pilots again MEC members to negotiate for all of us here. Can we just say screw good faith to the mediator? Sure, and he can say "Cooling off period? Indefinite?" I agree we are in way deep right now, but I don't think changing the MEC is going to be the save all solution. I welcome the new candidates to convince me to vote for them, but not just because we need a new MEC. I am still hopeful for a TA before the elections. BTW any MEC that will push to get out of the current local or even teamsters all together is well on their way to getting my vote.

 

[LR45JI]

Rumour is 900 will be hired. Would not make many unhappy to see those slots go unfilled.

Spoke with a friend today who works at the Kremlin. She confirmed to me that for every 100 interviewed they are only getting about 20 for a class. Furthermore, last week, three people left indoc class.

I am still hopeful for a TA before the elections. BTW any MEC that will push to get out of the current local or even teamsters all together is well on their way to getting my vote.

I can (with 95% certainty) GUARNTEE there will be a TA before the elections in October; will be after the August negotiations. The pay scale will be very convoluted. The 5-year pay scale will be close to 90k but I caution you to look at long-term pay potential. For those who think this will be a "long term" career choice, look very closely. The pay scale will be very front loaded.

 

[Lrjet55]

According to DV top pay, 14 years, will be 125K max.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

I've been here a number of years and it looked like it was going to turn out to be the place to spend a career. That is even what our fearless leader who founded the company told us. Well he lied like always. The mentality of management here is worse than ever. Morale is at an all time low. People are calling in sick right and left. I feel sick I chose this career.

It is true that JustNuts is having a hard time hiring right now. Several show up and walk out halfway through indoc. The company has made it evident that it has no intention to make this place appealing to anyone contemplating making it a career. They prefer to attract the time builders and pension fat retired types.

The pilots here are so frustrated by the treatment and lack of respect towards it's pilots, that most are ready to shut it down and walk away. I would suggest getting on with Citation Shares if you want frax or go to a cargo operator.

 

[Lear70]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but have a quick question for a friend of mine who doesn't have internet access (yeah, he's one of those older furloughed dudes who hates going within 10 feet of a computer).

Do you have any choice in what aircraft you go to in initial? Can you pick the HS or X or do you get stuck in whatever they put you in?

Might be worth getting on, getting the type, getting 500 hours in the Hawker or X and getting a much better corporate gig, then pay the $100 a month or whatever to keep them out of your credit (that IS a legal loophole to keep them out of your credit - as long as you're paying something in most states they can't touch your credit report, assuming it's a promissory note and not a "training contract" - two different animals).

Most of the good corporate jobs out there right now want people who are typed with time in type before they'll talk to you,,, NJA unfortunately sounds like it might be a good "in-and-out" type rating generator.

I'm truly sorry you guys and gals are having the time you are having of it now - I remember just before 9/11 at the LAX AIR, Inc Career Fair when they offered me a job and I turned it down to go to a regional since I had already done the frax thing but not 121 pax. Sounded pretty d*mn good from them and other employees - sounds like I might have made the better move although for the last 3 years I've kicked myself thinking I would have been better off at NJA.

Good luck!

 

[BrnJetFuel]

I've been here a number of years and it looked like it was going to turn out to be the place to spend a career. That is even what our fearless leader who founded the company told us. Well he lied like always. The mentality of management here is worse than ever. Morale is at an all time low. People are calling in sick right and left. I feel sick I chose this career.

It is true that JustNuts is having a hard time hiring right now. Several show up and walk out halfway through indoc. The company has made it evident that it has no intention to make this place appealing to anyone contemplating making it a career. They prefer to attract the time builders and pension fat retired types.

The pilots here are so frustrated by the treatment and lack of respect towards it's pilots, that most are ready to shut it down and walk away. I would suggest getting on with Citation Shares if you want frax or go to a cargo operator.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What happened to Bill Boisture? I thought he was cleaning house?

 

[niteflyr]

You are right Griz, I yield to your correctness due to all of your past airline union experience. I have no idea what I am talking about. Guess we should all just shut up on this page too. Agree with us or go away...Union page motto...

 

[flx757]

More cowbell

Guess what?? I got a feevah. And the only prescription is more cowbell...

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/testy/cowbell.swf

 

[niteflyr]

"The new MEC running is a good mix of retired and furloughed airline folks who can, for once, make a difference."

I have worked under airline unions, with experienced airline guys running them, and they still sucked. Why should the fact that they are a mix as stated above make it good for us? Seems logical to me, but whatever!

I will gladly vote for a new MEC if convinced they have a better way of handling things but not just solely on the fact they are furloughed and retired airline pilots. This all seems logical to me. Talk about writing from emotion almost as bad as winning votes based on emotions toward the current MEC.

 

[wingnutt]

dam griz...be honest now, you waited patiently and sat with your finger hovering over the "reply" button until exactly 00:00...didnt you

 

[Heavy Set]

The lack of a good/improved contract SHOULD pi$$ a lot of people off at Netjets. No doubt about it. Everyone seems concerned and upset. However, life at Netjets is not gloom and doom for everyone there. I have some friends who, despite being pi$$ed off about the lack of good progress on the contract, really enjoy their jobs. There are worse jobs out there than flying a Citation X, G200 or Falcon 2000 around the country. Flying these nice/advanced airplanes on a wide variety of routes and on a 7/7 schedule should be viewed as an improvement vs. a lot of airline jobs. Plus, don't expect the airlines to be paying THAT MUCH MORE money in the future anyway - airlines like Jet Blue, Spirit, and soon-to-be Virgin America will continue to bring the bar down lower and lower. Sure, 1st through 3rd year pay at Netjets is waaaaay too low - but don't expect a lot better elsewhere in a few years.

I hope you guys eventually get the better contract you deserve - and the sooner the better. But, there seems to be a lot of negativity and you should also consider some of the positives (maybe there are only a few positives in your minds) sometimes. Life is too short to be pi$$ed off all the time...

In the meantime, enjoy your Citation X flying into Aspen - you won't do much of that flying when you leave for low-paying Virgin America...

Happy flying!

 

[flyr4hire]

you're dreamin

Don't know why you felt that you needed to speak for your firends BUT fact is most frac pilots aren't toolin' around in Falcons or Gulfstreams or Xs. Yes we do get to fly into Aspen, sometimes twice in one day... on legs 2 and 6. The nightlife in Aspen, Jackhole, Palm Springs, etc is great too... that is trying to find something/get in somewhere to eat after being up for 14 hours and then geting the oportunity to drop $40 on the meal because your system is threatening to shutdown from "crew meal OD". As a 2 1/2 year FO in a small cabin, with no upgrade on the horizon, I, AND MANY, MANY of my friends will never see a job in one of the large cabins that you describe as such a pleasure to fly. In addition, the 7&7 (or 8&7) schedule, and "exotic" locations does not make up for the miserable pay... which is why so many of us are looking for one of those other jobs with low pay (yeah right) but no cleaning lavs, cleaning up after pets/kids, etc.

 

[On Your Six]

Griz,

Seriously - try to find employment elsewhere - and fast! If I were you, I'd consider another profession - you are seriously negative. Perhaps you'd rather sit behind a desk all day.

 

[airbaker]

Might want to check your facts about what is driving down salaries. I expect nothing lower than this pay scale. One of the LCC's you quoted as being part of the problem.

http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/jetblue/jetblue.htm

Year Capt FO

12 $139 $76
11 $136 $76
10 $133 $76
9 $131 $75
8 $128 $74
7 $126 $74
6 $123 $73
5 $121 $72
4 $118 $67
3 $116 $61
2 $113 $56
1 $110 $51

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70 * $121 = $8470 per month
$8470 * 12 = $101,640 per year

I just wanted to set the record straight regarding JetBlue's payscale. Remember that every hour flown above 70 is paid at 1.5x. So in this example, a 5th year Captain would be making $181.50/hr for every hour above 70. It's very, very common to fly lines that have over 85 hours in a month. BTW, you'd still get between 14-19 days off a month too. Even if you were the most junior guy on the property, you'd get a reserve guarentee of 75 hours, not 70. Reserves are currently running about 1-2 months max. I think our average W2 for Captains last year was 130K+, with many guys (check airmen and guys that live local and pick up extra flying) making well over 200K/yr. This doesn't include the extra $$ in profit sharing (15% average), 401K match (3%), 6000 shares of stock (could make you a millionaire, or wallpaper for the bathroom), and CSPP (company stock purchase plan).


Good luck in your negotiations guys, I seriously think you deserve a huge raise!

 

[On Your Six]

Thanks for your concern. I'll look you up the next time I need a therapist. Until then, why not have a steaming cup of shut the hell up.

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Mmmmm Ok......

 

[MotoX]

When I first came to NutJets I was just using it as a stepping stone. Had a couple of interviews set up and then 9-11. Decided that this would be the place I would make my home because of the "great contract". I have had MEC members try and talk me out of going to the airlines. Saying how great this company would be. Let me tell ya. It sucks here right now. Long hours (12 to 14), legal turns (until you cry uncle), changing schedules and early wakeup calls are the norm. 12 to 14 hour days, which will be filled with several flights, CYA and taking care of paxs between them. The only good time to eat is during a flight.

I am so tired when I come home from a tour. Have flown for the commuters and it was cake compared to this job. I honestly don't know how anyone can make this place a career. Even when we are slow, the schedulers make us sit at the airport on "hot standby" for several hours at a time. It's almost as if they don't want crews to get any rest while on the road. You will fly the best airplanes, get plenty of jet time, type rating to boot, and get the best experience. My learning curve was vertical when I first got here! Besides that, you will work your tail off and be paid very little for it.

I think I will take my chances with the airlines!