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I chose to come here, was not furloughed or fired.
This is not the company people think it is. I caution anyone thinking of coming here.
If you are looking for money and quality of life this is not the place for you. Those are the simple facts that are lost in these discussions.
If you are looking for a temporary home, build some jet time, maybe get some PIC time then this could be your shot. At that point its your call.
If you were imagining NJA as your career then lease research a little more.
NJA is a stepping stone like going to a regional, thats it. You will build more time at a regional but you will make a little more money at NJA, not much but some.
The problem with many of us is we came here thinking NJA would be a career job. If you start working somewhere thinking this for under what ever circumstances or pretences and then it does not happen you become very
angry very quick. Thats where we are now. Its all about attitude and expectations.
As for the Stron Union, it will make a difference. The people running are coming from the major airlines and cargo. Their approaches will be different and at the very least the company will held responsible for violating the contract. As it stands right now a grievance files takes years to be decided.
This is not the company people think it is. I caution anyone thinking of coming here.
If you are looking for money and quality of life this is not the place for you. Those are the simple facts that are lost in these discussions.
If you are looking for a temporary home, build some jet time, maybe get some PIC time then this could be your shot. At that point its your call.
If you were imagining NJA as your career then lease research a little more.
NJA is a stepping stone like going to a regional, thats it. You will build more time at a regional but you will make a little more money at NJA, not much but some.
The problem with many of us is we came here thinking NJA would be a career job. If you start working somewhere thinking this for under what ever circumstances or pretences and then it does not happen you become very
angry very quick. Thats where we are now. Its all about attitude and expectations.
As for the Stron Union, it will make a difference. The people running are coming from the major airlines and cargo. Their approaches will be different and at the very least the company will held responsible for violating the contract. As it stands right now a grievance files takes years to be decided.
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The Stron Union. Never heard of that one. Let's see. Heard of ALPA, the Teamsters, the various independent unions like the APA, NPA and SWAPA. Maybe the Stron Union is one of those independents?Lrjet55 said:
Or maybe it's an individual, come to the rescue. "Hi...I'm Stron Union...saviour of oppressed pilots everywhere."
(Sorry. Boring around here today. Carry on with your debate...
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I can undesrtand the joking pessimism. Its fair.
The new MEC running is a good mix of retired and furloughed airline folks who can, for once, make a difference.
Starting July 26 visit www.Strongunion.org
The new MEC running is a good mix of retired and furloughed airline folks who can, for once, make a difference.
Starting July 26 visit www.Strongunion.org
Strong Union. "The job of the union is not to save jobs. The job of the union is to make it a better place to work when you get back from your forced vacation." The senior will take care of the senior. So says the APA senior guys. Butt heads.
New MEC, OK, but do not hold your breath about movement on the contract.
New MEC, OK, but do not hold your breath about movement on the contract.
Exactly Tutt.
"The new MEC running is a good mix of retired and furloughed airline folks"
This doesn't exactly instill confidence in me, sorry. I am not and do not want to work at an airline. Is that what we want at NetJets? Furloughed, Bankrupt and a union that only gives a rats A$$ about the senior guys? They probably will get elected and then they are in for a big suprise when they hit the same brick wall the current committee has already hit.
"The new MEC running is a good mix of retired and furloughed airline folks"
This doesn't exactly instill confidence in me, sorry. I am not and do not want to work at an airline. Is that what we want at NetJets? Furloughed, Bankrupt and a union that only gives a rats A$$ about the senior guys? They probably will get elected and then they are in for a big suprise when they hit the same brick wall the current committee has already hit.
niteflyr,
Your concerns are understandable. I cannot tell you everything is going to be peachy but the guys that are running did some great things at their former companies. None of them are "looking out" for the senior guys. In fact they are all 2 to 4 year guys.
They want to make NJA responsible for their actions. Thats it! They arent promising miracles. They havent looked at the books and dont know what the company can spend. They do know more of an aggresive approach could, and I stress could, do some good. Time will tell.
I never voted for the current morons but I will vote for these guys. I have complete and total faith in them. At the very least our quality of life should improve.
Your concerns are understandable. I cannot tell you everything is going to be peachy but the guys that are running did some great things at their former companies. None of them are "looking out" for the senior guys. In fact they are all 2 to 4 year guys.
They want to make NJA responsible for their actions. Thats it! They arent promising miracles. They havent looked at the books and dont know what the company can spend. They do know more of an aggresive approach could, and I stress could, do some good. Time will tell.
I never voted for the current morons but I will vote for these guys. I have complete and total faith in them. At the very least our quality of life should improve.
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Trying to make sense...for Griz..
Estimated seniority of post 9/11 pilots - 1250
Estimated hiring in the next year 900
Bringing total pilot in the next year to 2700+
Hiring beyond this next year???? Hard to say who will be senior or not.
I guess you're right, lets bring in some pissed off wishing they were Airline pilots again MEC members to negotiate for all of us here. Can we just say screw good faith to the mediator? Sure, and he can say "Cooling off period? Indefinite?" I agree we are in way deep right now, but I don't think changing the MEC is going to be the save all solution. I welcome the new candidates to convince me to vote for them, but not just because we need a new MEC. I am still hopeful for a TA before the elections. BTW any MEC that will push to get out of the current local or even teamsters all together is well on their way to getting my vote.
Estimated seniority of post 9/11 pilots - 1250
Estimated hiring in the next year 900
Bringing total pilot in the next year to 2700+
Hiring beyond this next year???? Hard to say who will be senior or not.
I guess you're right, lets bring in some pissed off wishing they were Airline pilots again MEC members to negotiate for all of us here. Can we just say screw good faith to the mediator? Sure, and he can say "Cooling off period? Indefinite?" I agree we are in way deep right now, but I don't think changing the MEC is going to be the save all solution. I welcome the new candidates to convince me to vote for them, but not just because we need a new MEC. I am still hopeful for a TA before the elections. BTW any MEC that will push to get out of the current local or even teamsters all together is well on their way to getting my vote.
Spoke with a friend today who works at the Kremlin. She confirmed to me that for every 100 interviewed they are only getting about 20 for a class. Furthermore, last week, three people left indoc class.gunfyter said:
I can (with 95% certainty) GUARNTEE there will be a TA before the elections in October; will be after the August negotiations. The pay scale will be very convoluted. The 5-year pay scale will be close to 90k but I caution you to look at long-term pay potential. For those who think this will be a "long term" career choice, look very closely. The pay scale will be very front loaded.niteflyr said:
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I've been here a number of years and it looked like it was going to turn out to be the place to spend a career. That is even what our fearless leader who founded the company told us. Well he lied like always. The mentality of management here is worse than ever. Morale is at an all time low. People are calling in sick right and left. I feel sick I chose this career.
It is true that JustNuts is having a hard time hiring right now. Several show up and walk out halfway through indoc. The company has made it evident that it has no intention to make this place appealing to anyone contemplating making it a career. They prefer to attract the time builders and pension fat retired types.
The pilots here are so frustrated by the treatment and lack of respect towards it's pilots, that most are ready to shut it down and walk away. I would suggest getting on with Citation Shares if you want frax or go to a cargo operator.
It is true that JustNuts is having a hard time hiring right now. Several show up and walk out halfway through indoc. The company has made it evident that it has no intention to make this place appealing to anyone contemplating making it a career. They prefer to attract the time builders and pension fat retired types.
The pilots here are so frustrated by the treatment and lack of respect towards it's pilots, that most are ready to shut it down and walk away. I would suggest getting on with Citation Shares if you want frax or go to a cargo operator.
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Not trying to hijack the thread, but have a quick question for a friend of mine who doesn't have internet access (yeah, he's one of those older furloughed dudes who hates going within 10 feet of a computer).
Do you have any choice in what aircraft you go to in initial? Can you pick the HS or X or do you get stuck in whatever they put you in?
Might be worth getting on, getting the type, getting 500 hours in the Hawker or X and getting a much better corporate gig, then pay the $100 a month or whatever to keep them out of your credit (that IS a legal loophole to keep them out of your credit - as long as you're paying something in most states they can't touch your credit report, assuming it's a promissory note and not a "training contract" - two different animals).
Most of the good corporate jobs out there right now want people who are typed with time in type before they'll talk to you,,, NJA unfortunately sounds like it might be a good "in-and-out" type rating generator.
I'm truly sorry you guys and gals are having the time you are having of it now - I remember just before 9/11 at the LAX AIR, Inc Career Fair when they offered me a job and I turned it down to go to a regional since I had already done the frax thing but not 121 pax. Sounded pretty d*mn good from them and other employees - sounds like I might have made the better move although for the last 3 years I've kicked myself thinking I would have been better off at NJA.
Good luck!
Do you have any choice in what aircraft you go to in initial? Can you pick the HS or X or do you get stuck in whatever they put you in?
Might be worth getting on, getting the type, getting 500 hours in the Hawker or X and getting a much better corporate gig, then pay the $100 a month or whatever to keep them out of your credit (that IS a legal loophole to keep them out of your credit - as long as you're paying something in most states they can't touch your credit report, assuming it's a promissory note and not a "training contract" - two different animals).
Most of the good corporate jobs out there right now want people who are typed with time in type before they'll talk to you,,, NJA unfortunately sounds like it might be a good "in-and-out" type rating generator.
I'm truly sorry you guys and gals are having the time you are having of it now - I remember just before 9/11 at the LAX AIR, Inc Career Fair when they offered me a job and I turned it down to go to a regional since I had already done the frax thing but not 121 pax. Sounded pretty d*mn good from them and other employees - sounds like I might have made the better move although for the last 3 years I've kicked myself thinking I would have been better off at NJA.
Good luck!
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I've been here a number of years and it looked like it was going to turn out to be the place to spend a career. That is even what our fearless leader who founded the company told us. Well he lied like always. The mentality of management here is worse than ever. Morale is at an all time low. People are calling in sick right and left. I feel sick I chose this career.
It is true that JustNuts is having a hard time hiring right now. Several show up and walk out halfway through indoc. The company has made it evident that it has no intention to make this place appealing to anyone contemplating making it a career. They prefer to attract the time builders and pension fat retired types.
The pilots here are so frustrated by the treatment and lack of respect towards it's pilots, that most are ready to shut it down and walk away. I would suggest getting on with Citation Shares if you want frax or go to a cargo operator.
It is true that JustNuts is having a hard time hiring right now. Several show up and walk out halfway through indoc. The company has made it evident that it has no intention to make this place appealing to anyone contemplating making it a career. They prefer to attract the time builders and pension fat retired types.
The pilots here are so frustrated by the treatment and lack of respect towards it's pilots, that most are ready to shut it down and walk away. I would suggest getting on with Citation Shares if you want frax or go to a cargo operator.
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