If the tables were turned UPS/ASTAR(DHL Airways INC)

[shooter]

Did UPS prepare to have FDX,DHL, et al, move their packages during that strike? No I didn't think so.

It wasn't being sorted in the UPS sort last time.

 

[Browntothebone]

ATSG doesn't even have a certificate. Nice try.

You are correct that ATSG doesn't have a certificate. What Hete is going to do is get the ACMI with ANA changed from ABX Air to ATSG and get ATI and Capitol approved by the JCAB. That will give him the ability to use any of the three airlines to fly the ANA contract.

 

[Browntothebone]

Hey BTB. Got a question for you. Got a feeling you KNOW the answer

Is UPS a client of Ford & Harrison?

Don't know for a fact that they are, but most large corporations either use them are have their own union busting lawyers.

 

[Browntothebone]

This is not about cost, and never has been. Rather, this is about forging a working arrangement with UPS which will allow them to use DHL, through their (DHL'S) contractors, to distribute their product in foreign markets.

It also opens the door to UPS using contractors to fly what would otherwise be UPS' freight in the event of a strike.

As you yourself pointed out in another post, the customers perception of "service" is created by person making the delivery. He is in essence, the only person who "touches" both the product and the customer. That's why UPS places such a premium on hiring the right people for that job, and pays them so well. The rest of us are, indeed, "peons."

UPS could very well use a DHL contractor aircraft to fly it's volume in parts of the world where UPS currently uses airline belly space or common carriage. UPS will continue to fly what it does internationally and will continue to expand the airline internationally. I know that you can't stand to hear good news about another airline Dan, but it's the truth. UPS browntail jets flown around the world by IPA crews aren't going to go away no matter how hard you try and rationalize it.

 

[Browntothebone]

Why would they spend billions of dollars in aircraft and infrastructure to have it held hostage by Bob Miller and the IPA?

Not all contractors are "crappy" by any means. Northwest has been contracting to DHL for some time now, and they're certainly not "crappy." In contracting for anything, whether it's for somebody to hang drywall or a 747 to fly to ANK, you get what you pay for.

UPS will soon be flying DHL freight. Will that make you guys a "crappy 3rd party contractor" to DHL's core business?

Probably the same reason that they spent billions in infrastructure so they can be held hostage by the Teamsters every few years.

 

[FreightBumper]

Penguin,

So what are you and 1224 doing on the Hill with your presence? Anything?

Our union has spoken loudly and clearly and often about this deal being a bad one. For all of us. Haven't heard anything at all from 1224.

Any statements coming?
Any press releases coming?
Any meetings with politicians coming?
Any grievances coming?
Any lawsuits coming?

Just wondering. Seems like they think this DHL/UPS deal is not worth fighting.

DC8

Since you are informed to the max, shouldn't you know APA1224 has been in capitol hill from the day the news broke. We don't need to march in front of non caring public or management. Hete nor Dasburg are going to fight for any pilot jobs. We have talked to more elected officials from both the senate and the house than you can know. We ARE doing something. We just aren't required to tell you about it.

 

[eatme]

Since you are informed to the max, shouldn't you know APA1224 has been in capitol hill from the day the news broke. We don't need to march in front of non caring public or management. Hete nor Dasburg are going to fight for any pilot jobs. We have talked to more elected officials from both the senate and the house than you can know. We ARE doing something. We just aren't required to tell you about it.

Good luck-no sarcasm intended

 

[penguin22]

You are correct that ATSG doesn't have a certificate. What Hete is going to do is get the ACMI with ANA changed from ABX Air to ATSG and get ATI and Capitol approved by the JCAB. That will give him the ability to use any of the three airlines to fly the ANA contract.

When the Japanese descend on the offices of ATI and Capital you be sure and let us know

 

[AV80R]

UPS could very well use a DHL contractor aircraft to fly it's volume in parts of the world where UPS currently uses airline belly space or common carriage. UPS will continue to fly what it does internationally and will continue to expand the airline internationally. I know that you can't stand to hear good news about another airline Dan, but it's the truth. UPS browntail jets flown around the world by IPA crews aren't going to go away no matter how hard you try and rationalize it.

BTTB- how do you know all that? I mean what makes you so sure we will keep flying our aircraft in the future? You say control? What if they could slash their operating costs by half or more, do you think they'd still care so much about 'control'?

I don't know all the answers but I think DHL deal is a bad deal for both UPS and DHL employees. DHL employees are getting screwed now; our turn will come later...

 

[Browntothebone]

BTTB- how do you know all that? I mean what makes you so sure we will keep flying our aircraft in the future? You say control? What if they could slash their operating costs by half or more, do you think they'd still care so much about 'control'?

I don't know all the answers but I think DHL deal is a bad deal for both UPS and DHL employees. DHL employees are getting screwed now; our turn will come later...

You had better quit now and get in front of all the other UPS pilots that will be out of work.

 

[174037]

Having not been on this forum in months and reading this thread I will take another couple of months off.

 

[eatme]

Having not been on this forum in months and reading this thread I will take another couple of months off.

Dude, Iron Eagle is on TV today

 

[FO 4 Life]

BTTB- how do you know all that? I mean what makes you so sure we will keep flying our aircraft in the future? You say control? What if they could slash their operating costs by half or more, do you think they'd still care so much about 'control'?

Why do you think UPS started an airline in 88 instead of continuing to use the contractors? It is about control not money. Think of the whipsaw they could have had with the 4 different carriers if they wanted to save money.

 

[brownie]

Why do you think UPS started an airline in 88 instead of continuing to use the contractors? It is about control not money. Think of the whipsaw they could have had with the 4 different carriers if they wanted to save money.

Actually the reason ups started thier own airline because they were under pressure from faa not because they wanted control. It was actually cheaper for them with contractors then ipa.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

Why do you think UPS started an airline in 88 instead of continuing to use the contractors? It is about control not money. Think of the whipsaw they could have had with the 4 different carriers if they wanted to save money.

I don't think, I KNOW, why UPS started an airline in '88...they were FORCED to by the FAA. Ask any of your old hands what and who brought them out of the Evergreen, Interstate, Orion, Rosenbalm, et al doldrums and into the UPS fold. Thank T. Allen McArtor for your brown ID badge, not UPS' "need for control"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Allen_McArtor

In the early '80's, Flying Tigers biggest commercial account was UPS. At that time, there was little concern by UPS over "control" other than to make sure the planes left and arrived on time. Had they not, I'm sure UPS would have sought another contractor.