If everyone else can do it, why can't ASA?

[Freebrd]

>>>>call EXACT TIMES!!<<<<<<<<<<

What is the correct way to call out? Thought we had a letter or something stating when the door closes......I wanna know! Thanks!

 

[Tomct]

Freebird: When the boarding door closes, that is when the clock starts! That is unless they have changed it for the umpteenth time and I have'nt read it! Someone slap those folks over there in the Granite Palace!!

 

[WWEfan]

Calling Times

The contract specifically defines when to call the times in and out. It states that you are out when the aircraft is moving under its own power or being pushed by a tug....NOT WHEN THE DOOR CLOSES!!!! The company put out a memo a couple years back trying to change this because they knew it would increase operational performance. But this is in our contract and the company is trying to change our contract without giving us anything in return. However, it may be argued that we make more money by using the company's method so it's really up to you to decide. Make the company happy and make a few more minutes of block or stick it to the company and defend the current contract?

 

[Tomct]

Thanks WWEFan, I did not know that was in our contract! I better do some more reading! Fly Safe!!

 

[OPECJet]

We're famous for having standby days thrown in on overlapping trips. Rather than just pick up the trip that was dropped due to integration, you get to sit on your a$$ and collect 4 hours of pay.

My July line had the 1st off, then a 3 day on the second. My June line had a trip ending on Jul. 2. End result was finishing the June trip costing one day off from a 13 day off line, and 2 standby days after that.

Aug looks to be more of the same BS. I've also seen friends line have the first 5 days of the month off, then assigned a 4 day starting on the 1st, giving him a 1 day break between 4 day trips, and taking him down to min days off for the month.

Integration, transition, whatever the company wants to call it can kiss my a$$. Give that flying to the buildup line holders who are just happy to not have to sit reserve the entire month.

 

[Medeco]

On the subject of times.


Yes, I agree the time starts when the contract says it does, not when some memo says to call it.

This is important because we are letting the company change the contract with a memo.

Call the time that will make you the MOST money.

BUT, on the radio and any other reference to times, PLEASE, call it CAA123 BLOCKED OUT @ so and so.

NOT DOOR CLOSED @

and for god sakes

stop saying Door closed ON TIME!

I am sick of this company asking for our help in every little way, for nothing in return.

MEDECO

 

[FlyAuburn]

I agree. Slow it down. We also have a bunch new hires with the Kool-Aid Vision, practically washing airplanes. Just do your job and nothing more.

 

[FlyAuburn]

Another thing. If you're on duty more than 15 hours, you must have 10 hours of rest that night. No exceptions. There are a lot of 3 day trip with 13+ hour duty days out there. Watch for it. Alot of pilots don't know about this.

 

[OPECJet]

War Eagle bro.....

 

[FlyAuburn]

War Eagle!

 

[legalalien]

FlyAuburn,

Where do you get the requirement for 10hours of rest following duty over 15 hours as an absolute?

At ASA we have have 12.D.2.d saying that if we get reduced rest of less than 9 hours we cannot be scheduled for more than 10 hours the next day. Is that what you are referring to?

LegalAlien

 

[FlyAuburn]

You're absolutely correct. What they don't tell you is that FAR 121.471(c) translates to my point of 10 hours compensatory rest after a 15 hour day. Do you remember the 24 hour look back? Anytime you complete a flight, you have to ask yourself if you've had normal rest (9hours) in the last 24 hours. Normally the answer is yes. But, when you go over 15 hour duty day, the answer is no. You've had less than nine. Meaning, you had reduced rest in the last 24 hours, which means you have to have compensatory rest (10 hours). Remember the Whitlow letter? I don't have it in front of me, but I do know that it is about all this.

This is a very confusing subject, much more when there's a moron like me trying to explain it. Call Scheduling Hotline, he'll be glad to help you. The thing is that it does not say anywhere - "15 hour day = 10 hour rest". Unfortunately, we have to do the math. If I'm wrong on this, feel free to correct me.

 

[legalalien]

I see what you are referring to now. So we have to combine the two at ASA.

If you are on duty over 15 hours at ASA not only can they only schedule you for only 10 hours of duty the next day (by the contract) but your rest following that 10 hours or less of duty has to be at least 10 hours (by FAR121.471.c.1)

I guess I will have to factor that into my bidding and look for three days that have a lot of flying on the first and second day

 

[FlyAuburn]

I'm not quite sure we're on the same page. 15 hour duty day means that you have to have 10 hours of compensatory rest that night, nothing less.
The contract comments on the fact that if you ever receive reduce rest (less than 9 hours), you can't be on duty the next day for more than 10 hours. These are two different "topics". More than likely, scheduling will always give you those 9 hours so that you're good to go all day the next day. Makes sense?

 

[legalalien]

Sorry,

I reread what I wrote and it wasn't written very well (Kind of like our contract!!).

I agree completely with what you have written. If you are on duty over 15 hours you must have 10 hours rest by the FAR's.
Also if you ever have reduced rest of less than 9 hours you must have no more than 10 hours of duty scheduled the next day by the contract. You are correct that scheduling usually gives 9 hours of rest - guys should also remember that the departure time should be adjusted to 45 minutes after you duty in. They play that game as well.