Ibt vote new or old?

[shanes123]

The Company was given several options, that they choose not to take. Knowing the offer they countered with the union could not accept and it would make them look bad. Another case of KR out smarting the slate of experience. well played KR

 

[1folinepilot]

The Company was given several options, that they choose not to take. Knowing the offer they countered with the union could not accept and it would make them look bad. Another case of KR out smarting the slate of experience. well played KR

What were the offers from the company? The problem with Slinghoffa and their crew is that they hide the truth and lie to the membership so nobdy trusts them

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

What were the offers from the company? The problem with Slinghoffa and their crew is that they hide the truth and lie to the membership so nobdy trusts them

That's been several years ago and you are only bringing it up now? If you were truly interested in the details, you would have found out long ago. The threat to us now, as pilots, is the establishment of a B scale.

 

[1folinepilot]

That's been several years ago and you are only bringing it up now? If you were truly interested in the details, you would have found out long ago. The threat to us now, as pilots, is the establishment of a B scale.

We asked back then and you would not tell us what offers you made. You simply spoke on our behalf without asking us what we wanted. The only thing you cared about is what you wanted and what makes you look good for the national.

This is why the "Slate of Experience" is getting voted out

 

[slammer]

No matter which way.....Please Vote

I believe the silent majority will vote VDM.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Well I hope that whomever ends up in the leadership position knows the true sentiment of the pilots. And also the consequences. The one thing I have to give Slinghoffa credit for was averting a wildcat strike.

 

[shanes123]

Just like I believe in term limits for politicians. The 1108 needs new fresh faces with new ideas on how to deal with a company like Flops. Slinghoffa (LOL. No disrespect to Matt just thought that was funny) has done a decent job with what he had to work with at the time, But its time for him to let someone new come in and take a crack at it. The New Slate is very well versed with the likes of this management and I think they know whats needed to get the job done.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Yes shanes, it would be nice to have someone carry the ball further downfield, but you want to go with someone with a weak business backround? Unionship is nothing but a business and it better deliver. You are right that the membership is tired of the talk. If VDM claims the lead, I sure hope they can deliver. The built up resentment in the pilot group will create a backlash that will finish FO as we know it. I hope it works out well for ALL of us.

 

[The Architect]

Just a Little Longer

C'mon TWA, we're talking about the IBT here. All are equal, but some are more equal than others. Can't imagine why you guys haven't joined up yet.

Patience.

Once you are granted a PLOA you can go to work at Flexjet. You and TWA will surely be good buddies.

You can pat each other on the back and tell each other how great you are.

It's a beautiful thing...just a little longer.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Some members chose not to be informed. So no, not all opinions carry the same weight. BTW didn't you inform me on certain issues and I had the intellectual honest to admit I was wrong and corrected my self?

So how does one become informed by your standard so that their opinion matters?

Since I have been a member of several unions before, let me explain how this works. Everyone has a say. Each persons say is as important as everyone else, even if it isn't the popular opinion.

What you are suggesting is a union in which everyone is required to join and pay dues, but unless your opinion aligns with the majority view than keep it to yourself. If this is the case then how would change ever be accomplished? Or is that what you are attempting to prevent?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So how does one become informed by your standard so that their opinion matters?

Since I have been a member of several unions before, let me explain how this works. Everyone has a say. Each persons say is as important as everyone else, even if it isn't the popular opinion.

What you are suggesting is a union in which everyone is required to join and pay dues, but unless your opinion aligns with the majority view than keep it to yourself. If this is the case then how would change ever be accomplished? Or is that what you are attempting to prevent?

Straw man arguments, so once again, you are WRONG. As an example, if you wanted to be informed you could volunteer to be a member of the p2p committee.

You may have been a union member once before, but things have changed in the last 20 years. ( true fact now attach a false statement). "Each persons say is important as everyone else." There have always been idiots. Some people just don't realize it.

And about membership, one again you are WRONG. The union also has to represent non-members and objectors. Its called duty of fair representation. And not everyone pays dues. They make payments somewhere else.

So once again you go down the list of talking points.

 

[dime line]

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[dime line]

So how does one become informed by your standard so that their opinion matters?

Since I have been a member of several unions before, let me explain how this works.

Everyone has a say. Each persons say is as important as everyone else, even if it isn't the popular opinion

. What fairy land are you talking about, its not Ricciville. I only have a seat at Riccis table because of the government rules related to unions. Under Ricci (Pre Union,) , yesteryear used to be a kangaroo court with Ricci at the helm

What you are suggesting is a union in which everyone is required to join and pay dues, but unless your opinion aligns with the majority view than keep it to yourself. If this is the case then how would change ever be accomplished? Or is that what you are attempting to prevent?

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[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Straw man arguments, so once again, you are WRONG. As an example, if you wanted to be informed you could volunteer to be a member of the p2p committee.

You may have been a union member once before, but things have changed in the last 20 years. ( true fact now attach a false statement). "Each persons say is important as everyone else." There have always been idiots. Some people just don't realize it.

And about membership, one again you are WRONG. The union also has to represent non-members and objectors. Its called duty of fair representation. And not everyone pays dues. They make payments somewhere else.

So once again you go down the list of talking points.

So, I can become informed by drinking from the union koolaid?

Guessing the idiot comment is a self realization on your behalf.

DFR, is that why I just got a huge check from ALPA from the lawsuit? The union that I was a member in good standing with that sold me out to AA? Tell me again how a union protects me? Isn't there now a law (Bond McKaskill) due to the TWA FAs being sold screwed by the unions?

Next......

 

[BlueNose]

Patience.

Once you are granted a PLOA you can go to work at Flexjet. You and TWA will surely be good buddies.

You can pat each other on the back and tell each other how great you are.

It's a beautiful thing...just a little longer.

I am where I want to be, thanks. It's not necessarily Team Matt or Team Ricci here, much as you might like to play it that way to scare the FJ guys and increase your revenue. While I wouldn't want to be exposed to KR's whims without protections, that doesn't mean I have to agree with 1108's current leadership and their banana republic. But from your obviously outsized ego ('The Architect' - really?), constant condescension and unfailing knee jerk defense of them, my guess is you're afraid the new team might not keep you as a full-time employee if they get voted in.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Blue the "constant condescension" remark you brought up definitely describes TWA. I drink the union koolaid? Once again you have no clue.

 

[slowtation capt]

The union that I was a member in good standing with that sold me out to AA? Tell me again how a union protects me? Isn't there now a law (Bond McKaskill) due to the TWA FAs being sold screwed by the unions?

KR tried playing that game on the CitationAir Pilots.

NEXT..............

 

[BlueNose]

Blue the "constant condescension" remark you brought up definitely describes TWA. Agree with you there, he's certainly earned his reputation on here. If I were an FJ guy, I'd be embarassed to have him as a self-appointed spokesman. Let's see if a few years under KR's team change his tune. I drink the union koolaid? Did I say that somewhere? Don't think I did. My issues with the 1108 leadership are mostly about the top couple of guys and a some (not all) of the E Board. I think that seeing a union as a necessary evil under this management team is an option, though not very well accepted by the enthusiasts on either side. Once again you have no clue. My wife would agree with you there.

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[shanes123]

Let TWA keeping drinking the company Koolaide. Until Ricci replaces him with one of his golden boys he's not changing his mind. Then he will come crying wanted to be a union Koolaide drinker. Whatever suites his own agenda at the time is where he will go.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Shanes , you hit the nail on the head on that one! TWA not only drinks the company koolaid, he is one of the guys that is serving it to others. I don't know who he is but he must be in a position where he has special privileges.